College Football Players Are Employees and Entitled to Union Representation

If a university gives a scholarship to a promising basketball player, they then have to find a female athlete to also give a scholarship to.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/28/sports/colleges-never-rowed-take-a-free-ride.html

On the day Ohio State freshmen signed up for extracurricular activities like sororities, paintball and recreational badminton, Amanda Purcell heard a sales pitch. Two women on the university's varsity rowing team begged her to join.

Purcell, a 5-foot-9, 250-pound French horn player and music major who had never played a sport before, said no, but the women persisted. Finally, she decided to give it a try.

Suddenly, she had a new hobby -- and a new way to pay her college education.

A junior now, 60 pounds lighter and physically fit, Purcell has been on scholarship for more than a year and is competing in Ohio State's top varsity boat at this weekend's N.C.A.A. women's rowing championships in Sacramento. She is even thinking of the Olympics.

''I'm still shocked,'' Jim Purcell, Amanda's father, said. ''She was always afraid to touch any sport, but look at her now.''

Purcell and her family quickly learned a fact of life in the 21st century Title IX world: women are getting scholarships in sports they have never tried, perhaps never even heard of.
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Bonestorm said:
That's not how it works. For someone who really seems to dislike Title IX, you don't seem to know much about it.
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Not much on substance, are ya? And where did I say I dislike Title IX?

Now, this would be the point where you would explain where I'm wrong.
 
Celticguy said:
As i explained above its a whole team not some girl. NCAA determines the maximum # of scholarships (not minimum) per sport.
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Which have to be equitably distributed between men and women:

http://www.nwlc.org/sites/default/files/pdfs/2011_8_battle_in_college_athletics_final.pdf

Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 bars sex discrimination in all schools that receive federal funding, including in their athletic programs. Title IX requires schools or other covered education programs to (1) offer members of both sexes equal opportunities to play sports; (2) allocate athletic scholarships equitably; and (3) treat male and female athletes equally with respect to other benefits and services, such as equipment, coaching and facilities. While Title IX has led to greater opportunities for girls and women to play sports, receive scholarships, and obtain other important benefits that flow from sports participation, its goal of equal opportunity in sports has yet to be realized.
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This is not an issue of NCAA regulations. It is a matter of federal law.
 
I wish I had paid more attention as I had it on in the background but on CBS last weekend there was a discussion with a male NY Times sportswriter who thought college athletes should be paid and a woman sportswriter who said there would be all kinds of lawsuits as it would violate Title IX. Hoping to find the transcript.
 
cawacko said:
I wish I had paid more attention as I had it on in the background but on CBS last weekend there was a discussion with a male NY Times sportswriter who thought college athletes should be paid and a woman sportswriter who said there would be all kinds of lawsuits as it would violate Title IX. Hoping to find the transcript.
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I'm guessing the wormen's volleyball coach at Alabama makes a few sheckles less than Nick Saban. If that doesn't violate Title IX, I don't see why Alabama football players receiving more compensation than the women's volleyball team would either.

In short, I think that argument is bullshit.
 
I think they should simply abolish all athletic scholarships. If the NCAA wants to run as a minor league for the NBA and NCAA then let them run as a separate entity. Boosters from schools can decide if they want their school to participate and they can either provide funding or facilities etc...

In too many cases it is no longer about making sure the kids get educations while in school, so lets stop pretending that is what it is about.
 
Bonestorm said:
I'm guessing the wormen's volleyball coach at Alabama makes a few sheckles less than Nick Saban. If that doesn't violate Title IX, I don't see why Alabama football players receiving more compensation than the women's volleyball team would either.

In short, I think that argument is bullshit.
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I thought Title IX applied to students, not faculty/coaches? Correct me if I am wrong.
 
Bonestorm said:
It applies to educational institutions and the allocation of resouces of the institution to athletic programs. Whether those resources go to a coach, equipment, facilities, or "student-athletes" doesn't seem to much matter, at least in my understanding.
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I'm probably wrong but I thought it was more about numbers which is why some schools dropped men's teams, not because of funding but because of numbers. I've never heard Title IX referenced in relations to a coaches salary.
 
The Title IX thing just strikes me as ridiculous. "Oh, geez, we'd really love to pay you guys for the billions you create in revenue but that danged Title IX . . ."

Get real. They can figure it out.
 
Bonestorm said:
The Title IX thing just strikes me as ridiculous. "Oh, geez, we'd really love to pay you guys for the billions you create in revenue but that danged Title IX . . ."

Get real. They can figure it out.
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Again, not too long on specifics, are ya?

In real life, quite often the only reason there are girls volleyball teams is for schools to comply with Title IX. It's not a money maker for the schools like mens basketball.

If you're going to start paying the basketball players, does Article IX mean that a school will have to start playing womens volleyballers equal pay? Because the way it works now, the scholarships have an equal value.
 
Bonestorm said:
The Title IX thing just strikes me as ridiculous. "Oh, geez, we'd really love to pay you guys for the billions you create in revenue but that danged Title IX . . ."

Get real. They can figure it out.
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NCAA says you cant pay student athletes. Pay is a nonissue as noted in the article in the op.
 
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