College Football Players Are Employees and Entitled to Union Representation

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Bonestorm

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This is kind of a big deal:

Northwestern University football players are employees of the school and are therefore entitled to a union election. Peter Sung Ohr, the regional director of the National Labor Relations Board, is expected to rule on Wednesday, sources told the Tribune.

Ohr’s decision is expected to be appealed to the NLRB in Washington. Labor experts say an election is unlikely to take place until the NLRB makes a decision. If Ohr’s decision is upheld, the case would likely make its way through federal appellate court and could reach the Supreme Court.

The sources spoke on condition of anonymity ahead of the NLRB’s expected release of the decision today.
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Ha. Fuck the NCAA. Of course, this will be appealed to the full Board, but it's fucking intersting.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-northwestern-union-bid-20140326,0,6454823.story
 
kick the athletic scholarship to the curb.....club sports and don't award scholarships to academic institutions on the basis of running fast and jumping high....there, problem solved....
 
I'm all for not taking advantage of athletes by cashing in on their names and images, but it's bullshit that they claim to be employees. They are customers receiving a free tuition, room/board, unchanged expenses, and meals, as well as care.If we really paid them their worth in salary, they would be minor league salaries, worth about half of a rookie NFL contract (which we know are pittances) for a mid-level talent player. The best they cold hope to be worth would be a year's tuition, but then colleges could refuse to cover more than medical. No meals, board, etc. Also, if we make sure colleges take care of injured players with respect to keeping scholarships, that's another benefit employees would never see.
 
On the other hand, we could create a minor league that runs March - June, and mirror the big leagues with a National Junior Conference and American Junior Conference. Each franchise could choose to establish a farm team, and would have an advantage in the draft with these players by having the best scouting data.
 
'm all for not taking advantage of athletes by cashing in on their names and images, but it's bullshit that they claim to be employees. They are customers receiving a free tuition, room/board, unchanged expenses, and meals, as well as care.If we really paid them their worth in salary, they would be minor league salaries, worth about half of a rookie NFL contract (which we know are pittances) for a mid-level talent player. The best they cold hope to be worth would be a year's tuition, but then colleges could refuse to cover more than medical. No meals, board, etc. Also, if we make sure colleges take care of injured players with respect to keeping scholarships, that's another benefit employees would never see.

tell me again how athletes are taken advantage of....if they don't like the deal then get an education on their own dime and academic merits....
 
Celticguy said:
What do they hope to accomplish with this ? They dont get paid there is nothing to collectivly bargain for.
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Control of their conditions. I think the main thing they are after is expanded perdiems so that they have reasonable compensation for living expenses, housing, utilities, food, etc. In other words the full cost of their education. Then there's full medical compensation for injuries, which they don't currently have and lastly that athletic scholarships be offered on a full four year basis, instead of year to year and cannot be withdrawn due to injury or because the coach desires another athlete. I think given the revenues football players generate that these are not unreasonable demands.
 
Threedee said:
I'm all for not taking advantage of athletes by cashing in on their names and images, but it's bullshit that they claim to be employees. They are customers receiving a free tuition, room/board, unchanged expenses, and meals, as well as care.If we really paid them their worth in salary, they would be minor league salaries, worth about half of a rookie NFL contract (which we know are pittances) for a mid-level talent player. The best they cold hope to be worth would be a year's tuition, but then colleges could refuse to cover more than medical. No meals, board, etc. Also, if we make sure colleges take care of injured players with respect to keeping scholarships, that's another benefit employees would never see.
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ThreeDee....where to you come up with this shit? First of all, it isn't free tuition. You earn it through blood, sweat and tears in the training room and practice field and on the field of play. Second, half a rookie minimum NFL contract is $210,000/year. When was the last time you made $210,000 dollars in a year? That's right. Never. Hell practice squad players make over $100,000 per year. That's hardly a pittance.

Full cost of education at a State funded University, including catastrophic medical insurance and a four year guaranteed scholarship would range between $25,000 to $40,000 per year depending on the school. It would be more at a private school like Northwestern. Regardless, that is still substantially less than the rookie minimum in the NFL.
 
Be interesting to see how this effects Title IX, which basically says that for every male who gets a college athletic scholarship, a female has to get one too.

Which has led to absurdities like schools starting female rowing teams with females who've never even rowed before, just to balance out the numbers. Female students have benefited from this tremendously.

Colleges will not be looking to give "equal pay" for women's teams they didn't even want in the first place, and were basically compelled to form to have top-flight men's basketball and/or football teams.

This will hurt women, help men, and the broads will crush it.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
ThreeDee....where to you come up with this shit? First of all, it isn't free tuition. You earn it through blood, sweat and tears in the training room and practice field and on the field of play. Second, half a rookie minimum NFL contract is $210,000/year. When was the last time you made $210,000 dollars in a year? That's right. Never. Hell practice squad players make over $100,000 per year. That's hardly a pittance.

Full cost of education at a State funded University, including catastrophic medical insurance and a four year guaranteed scholarship would range between $25,000 to $40,000 per year depending on the school. It would be more at a private school like Northwestern. Regardless, that is still substantially less than the rookie minimum in the NFL.
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Yes, I agree that their pay IS their tuition. The morons, however, have been dismissing the college credits and diploma's, claiming they are worthless, there's no such thing as a student athlete, etc. Unfortunately, these fucktards aren't all rushing to commit mass suicide, so there is a debate brewing.

I underestimated the rookie contracts. I know the NFL has been shrinking them, though. Also, pundits have been calling them a pittance. Actually, I was thinking $100k, and priced the college students at $50k, with tuition being around $40k a year on average.
 
https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/interath.html

Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 (20 U.S.C. .1681 et seq.) prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex in education programs receiving Federal financial assistance. Athletics are considered an integral part of an institution's education program and are therefore covered by this law. It is the responsibility of the Department of Education (ED), Office for Civil Rights (OCR), to assure that athletic programs are operated in a manner that is free from discrimination on the basis of sex.

The regulation (34 C.F.R. Part 106) implementing Title IX contains specific provisions relating to athletic opportunities. It also permits individual institutions considerable flexibility in achieving compliance with the law.

Colleges and universities must provide opportunity for intercollegiate competition as well as team schedules which equally reflect the competitive abilities of male and female athletes. An institution's compliance in this area may be assessed in any one of the following ways:

the numbers of men and women participating in intercollegiate athletics are substantially proportionate to their overall enrollment; or

where members of one sex are underrepresented in the athletics program, whether the institution can show a continuing practice of program expansion responsive to the developing interests and abilities of that sex; or

the present program accommodates the interests and abilities of the underrepresented sex.

In considering equivalent opportunities for levels of competition, compliance will be assessed by examining whether:

male and female athletes, in proportion to their participation in athletic programs, are provided equivalently advanced competitive opportunities; or

the institution has a history and continuing practice of upgrading the competitive opportunities available to the historically disadvantaged sex as warranted by the developing abilities among the athletes of that sex
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The point I'm trying to bring up here is that, as usual, liberal ideas also reap unintended consequences.

What will happen to Title IX if athletes become employees as opposed to student athletes? Will a female softball player get paid the same as the star point guard on the men's basketball team? Because right now they are receiving equal pay for unequal work; the pay being the scholarship.

If compensation is converted from scholarships to cash, womens athletic programs will disappear, almost completely I'd imagine. With the exception of tennis, we can see what womens athletics are worth in the free market; virtually nil. Unless, of course, the government compels universities to keep all the teams and compensate all the athletes equally...

.... which is a valuable life lesson for.... I don't know, for what?

Real life pays athletes for their abilities and the sport's ability to attract paying fans.
 
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Taft2016 said:
https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/interath.html



The point I'm trying to bring up here is that, as usual, liberal ideas also reap unintended consequences.

What will happen to Title IX if athletes become employees as opposed to student athletes? Will a female softball player get paid the same as the star point guard on the men's basketball team? Because right now they are receiving equal pay for unequal work; the pay being the scholarship.

If compensation is converted from scholarships to cash, womens athletic programs will disappear, almost completely I'd imagine. With the exception of tennis, we can see what womens athletics are worth in the free market; virtually nil. Unless, of course, the government compels universities to keep all the teams and compensate all the athletes equally...

.... which is a valuable life lesson for.... I don't know, for what?

Real life pays athletes for their abilities and the sport's ability to attract paying fans.
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Re: the bold, that's not the way it works for football and basketball players, who generate billions and billions of dollars in revenue from paying fans and the athletes get shit (comparatively speaking).
 
Bonestorm said:
Re: the bold, that's not the way it works for football and basketball players, who generate billions and billions of dollars in revenue from paying fans and the athletes get shit (comparatively speaking).
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No, but that's my point. Colleges right now are compelled to treat the womens volleyball team equally with mens basketball.

How would that work under the new sysytem?
 
Taft2016 said:
No, but that's my point. Colleges right now are compelled to treat the womens volleyball team equally with mens basketball.
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Not really.

Taft2016 said:
How would that work under the new sysytem?
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I'm sure they can figure it out. Even assuming it were true, why is that a reason for people who generate billions and billions of dollars of revenue for being apprrpriately compensated for their work?
 
Equally ? Not really. That would suggest that each sport get comprable resources. But thats not possible as NCAA has sport specific regs
what it really works out to is if the boys have ten teams tjen the hirls must have ten teams. If the girls only have intetest in 8 trams yhe the.boyd have to drop two.
 
Equally ? Not really. That would suggest that each sport get comprable resources. But thats not possible as NCAA has sport specific regs
what it really works out to is if the boys have ten teams then the girls must have ten teams. If the girls only have intetest in 8 teams then the.boys have to drop two. University of Richmond dropped boys soccer when the girls dropped one of theirs last year. Bad move as a major donor family has a son who plays professoonally here and the family has done quite a lot to promote soccer in the area. The family are no longer donors.
 
Equally ? Not really. That would suggest that each sport get comprable resources. But thats not possible as NCAA has sport specific regs
what it really works out to is if the boys have ten teams then the girls must have ten teams. If the girls only have intetest in 8 teams then the.boys have to drop two. University of Richmond dropped boys soccer when the girls dropped one of theirs last year. Bad move as a major donor family has a son who plays professoonally here and the family has done quite a lot to promote soccer in the area. The family are no longer donors.
 
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