Coal Keeps Winning! 4 West Mine (Greene County, PA) Closing - 370 Jobs

Darth Omar said:
Part of the problem is progressives want to make a binary issue out of it.

It’s not an either/or thing. Coal may never come back to its glory days—but it’s not going away either. The political mistake Obama/Hillary made was in trying to make it go away.

It’s also a practical mistake. There will probably come a day when the world doesn’t need coal but we aren’t there yet. And by forcing the issue, Obama forced a lot of people out of good paying jobs and onto unemployment. Families suffered, drug and alcohol use went up.
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The coal industry, in the US, employs about the same number of people as Wendy's.
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PoliTalker said:
Hello Ralph,

Well that certainly puts things into perspective, doesn't it? Kind of looks like a bit 'o liberal spin on that one. Make a big deal out of a played out mine closing while ignoring other nearby job gains. Quite the misrepresentation.

Thanks for listening to it and posting those numbers. So if there were previously gains of possibly 1000 jobs, and 370 were lost, that would leave a net gain of 630. Add that to the 5000 would be 5630. Still a lot less than the 8000 it once was. So what happened to the other 2370? Are those the jobs that are not coming back? Did automation play a part in that? How about dwindling coal sales and competition from fracking?
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The reality is the fact of those jobs being lost during the Obama Administration.......NEW LAWS from the EPA that were never represented by the will of THE PEOPLE. Obama began doing just as he stated he would do....bankrupt the mining industry by making the processing of coal (Obama shut down the ability to process coal) to expensive in the name of regulating CARBON omissions.....an element that is essential to all life on earth but propagated as a producer of some imagined GREEN HOUSE EFFECT when nature produces more Co2 in a decade than all the man made omissions combined. The thing is one can't unrepresentatively legislate nature into bankruptcy.

What new UNREPRESENTED LAWS from the EPA under Obama and their net effect? Over 32 coal using electric generating processing plants shut down. Why mine coal if you can't process it or have a local market nearby....The highest expense to mining and selling coal.....TRANSPORTATION COSTS? The reason those 20 some hundred jobs were lost was directly due to the OVER REGULATION of the private sector void of any input from THE PEOPLE's REPRESENTATIVES. There still remains a global market for all the coal that the United States can mine, but again, the further you ship it the more you must charge for the product.

It may be true that some jobs are being lost to modern technology and to surface mines being more productive with less expensive overhead and loss of life....but those loses are nothing compared to the loses due to a rouge out of control unlegislated EPA on a mission to politicize a necessary energy product as Coal still provides almost 50% of this nation's electrical grid output. FYI: The states are quite capable of regulating any business within their state....that's why each state has a CONSTITUTION.

www.governing.com/gov-data/energy-environment/coal-plants-to-shut-down-from-EPA-regulations.html

Look at the map of the closing coal processing plants in relation to the electric generating plants. You will see.....4 Electric plants within the immediate area mentioned that were overregulated to death, making if to costly to ship the local coal to other plants around the nation. Its simply a matter of DOLLARS and SENSE. When a product costs more to produce than any net gain that can be viably attained.....JOBS ARE LOST to politics and a Big Brother that is attempting to PICK winners and losers in a supposedly FREE MARKET capitalistic nation. This nation has not really had any type of FREE Market since the communists took control of the democrat party in the 60s.
 
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PoliTalker said:
Hello and greetings RB60,

Nobody is happy that people are losing jobs. They are expressing a sentiment of vindication because this is what the left has been saying all along. Those jobs are not coming back. Nobody is happy that more people are going on government assistance.

Being denied the ability to support your family is a humiliation that many poor American blacks have lived their entire lives. It is one thing to have known a good life and have that eaten away. It is quite another to have never had a real chance at it in the first place from birth.

Besides the competition from newer more efficient forms of energy, don't forget that automation has also eliminated thousands of coal jobs. And even with increased production levels coal can't compete. Hey. Maybe they could all move to the city and drive UPS trucks. Not so fast. All those jobs are doomed also. Automation again.
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Again, read the posts above my first in this thread. I see no "sentiment of vindication" as you call it, just insults and delight.
This is not about race, and I'm not taking your bait to turn it into it.
Automation has hit nearly every industry. Do you think everyone who it has hit can just pick up and move to another location and career?
 
floridafan said:
With cheaper, cleaner, and more efficient alternatives, coal never had a chance to come back. I am sure the miners will remember trumps promises and his failure to accomplish anything.
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In the third quarter of 2017, the U.S. exported 24.6 million short tons of coal (12.5% of total production)2*to dozens of countries around the world; the largest markets were India (11.7% of all exports), the Netherlands (10.7%), and South Korea (10.6%).2

In the third quarter of 2017, the U.S. imported 2.3 million short tons of coal, mostly from Colombia (77%), Canada (13%), and Indonesia (9%).2

https://www.americangeosciences.org/critical-issues/faq/how-much-coal-does-us-export-and-import

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katzgar said:
Coal is fading it's that simple. The entire world is scattered with mines and industries and ports that have outlive their usefulness. There are more jobs now in Renewables then in Coal. Time for coal miners to face reality and do something else. The United States is made up of people who left a bad situation seeking a better situation. Get out of coal country and go to where the opportunities are.
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I suppose it is pointless showing you how coal can have a future!

http://www.texascleanenergyproject.com

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Ralph said:
The reality is the fact of those jobs being lost during the Obama Administration.......NEW LAWS from the EPA that were never represented by the will of THE PEOPLE. Obama began doing just as he stated he would do....bankrupt the mining industry by making the processing of coal (Obama shut down the ability to process coal) to expensive in the name of regulating CARBON omissions.....an element that is essential to all life on earth but propagated as a producer of some imagined GREEN HOUSE EFFECT when nature produces more Co2 in a decade than all the man made omissions combined. The thing is one can't unrepresentatively legislate nature into bankruptcy.

What new UNREPRESENTED LAWS from the EPA under Obama and their net effect? Over 32 coal using electric generating processing plants shut down. Why mine coal if you can't process it or have a local market nearby....The highest expense to mining and selling coal.....TRANSPORTATION COSTS? The reason those 20 some hundred jobs were lost was directly due to the OVER REGULATION of the private sector void of any input from THE PEOPLE's REPRESENTATIVES. There still remains a global market for all the coal that the United States can mine, but again, the further you ship it the more you must charge for the product.

It may be true that some jobs are being lost to modern technology and to surface mines being more productive with less expensive overhead and loss of life....but those loses are nothing compared to the loses due to a rouge out of control unlegislated EPA on a mission to politicize a necessary energy product as Coal still provides almost 50% of this nation's electrical grid output. FYI: The states are quite capable of regulating any business within their state....that's why each state has a CONSTITUTION.

www.governing.com/gov-data/energy-environment/coal-plants-to-shut-down-from-EPA-regulations.html

Look at the map of the closing coal processing plants in relation to the electric generating plants. You will see.....4 Electric plants within the immediate area mentioned that were overregulated to death, making if to costly to ship the local coal to other plants around the nation. Its simply a matter of DOLLARS and SENSE. When a product costs more to produce than any net gain that can be viably attained.....JOBS ARE LOST to politics and a Big Brother that is attempting to PICK winners and losers in a supposedly FREE MARKET capitalistic nation. This nation has not really had any type of FREE Market since the communists took control of the democrat party in the 60s.
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Except that's not true. Coal mining jobs have been in severe decline since 1950 and our coal fired power plants are 40 years old... and there are NO new investors.
 
Nordberg said:
Hillary wanted to train them in solar energy. They laughed at that.
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Until the Great Turnip put tariffs on that, it was a rapidly growing business.

I guess we can't expect dinosaurs though to think into the future and plan for alternative careers for those whose jobs are lost to progress. Their only response is to try to bring them back via empty gestures.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Until the Great Turnip put tariffs on that, it was a rapidly growing business.

I guess we can't expect dinosaurs though to think into the future and plan for alternative careers for those whose jobs are lost to progress. Their only response is to try to bring them back via empty gestures.
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When kerosene replaced whale oil some people were upset.
 
kudzu said:
Except that's not true. Coal mining jobs have been in severe decline since 1950 and our coal fired power plants are 40 years old... and there are NO new investors.
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We live outside a smallish city on the shores of Lake Superior. Our coal-fired plant in town (Presque Isle) will be decommissioned soon. It's being replaced by a huge natural gas-fired plant, which also has a solar farm on the property. Town ppl on that grid can buy a share of the solar farm and have their electric bill decreased. In addition, new wind farms are being established in the Upper Peninsula, where it's plenty windy most of the time. The coal plants have seen their day. Unfortunately they left their mark behind; all of the Great Lakes as well as many inland lakes are contaminated with mercury.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
We live outside a smallish city on the shores of Lake Superior. Our coal-fired plant in town (Presque Isle) will be decommissioned soon. It's being replaced by a huge natural gas-fired plant, which also has a solar farm on the property. Town ppl on that grid can buy a share of the solar farm and have their electric bill decreased. In addition, new wind farms are being established in the Upper Peninsula, where it's plenty windy most of the time. The coal plants have seen their day. Unfortunately they left their mark behind; all of the Great Lakes as well as many inland lakes are contaminated with mercury.
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Clever and forward looking...
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Ralph,

Well that certainly puts things into perspective, doesn't it? Kind of looks like a bit 'o liberal spin on that one. Make a big deal out of a played out mine closing while ignoring other nearby job gains. Quite the misrepresentation.

Thanks for listening to it and posting those numbers. So if there were previously gains of possibly 1000 jobs, and 370 were lost, that would leave a net gain of 630. Add that to the 5000 would be 5630. Still a lot less than the 8000 it once was. So what happened to the other 2370? Are those the jobs that are not coming back? Did automation play a part in that? How about dwindling coal sales and competition from fracking?
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I know, right?.....I mean is already been a year and the demmycrats in congress have been super-cooperative.....why isn't America completely great again?......
 
Darth Omar said:
Yeah, coal will never be what it was [the miners knew that better than Hillary] but coal wasn’t as dead as Obama was making it. Even a modest increase in coal mining jobs in a small state like WV, matters. Those are good paying jobs and for every coal job there are several, good paying jobs, in the support trades.
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The conversion to gas is what's killing Coal get over your obams b*******
 
Coal has been a dying industry for decades. Trying to revive it is like trying to revive the wheelwright industry. It makes no sense.
 
kudzu said:
Except that's not true. Coal mining jobs have been in severe decline since 1950 and our coal fired power plants are 40 years old... and there are NO new investors.
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Not true, the Chinese are investing in this project in Texas.

TCEP is being developed by Seattle based Summit Power Group, which in December 2015 signed an engineering, procurement and construction (EPC) contract with China Huanqui Contracting & Engineering Corporation (HQC), a subsidiary of China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC), and SNC-Lavalin, a Montreal-based engineering and construction group. TCEP received its final air quality permit from the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality (TCEQ) on December 28, 2010. The project will be located in Penwell, Texas, 15 miles west of Odessa.

The Texas Clean Energy project will be the first United States based power plant that combines both Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle and 90 percent carbon capture and storage technologies.
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http://www.texascleanenergyproject.com


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Darth Omar said:
Part of the problem is progressives want to make a binary issue out of it.

It’s not an either/or thing. Coal may never come back to its glory days—but it’s not going away either. The political mistake Obama/Hillary made was in trying to make it go away.

It’s also a practical mistake. There will probably come a day when the world doesn’t need coal but we aren’t there yet. And by forcing the issue, Obama forced a lot of people out of good paying jobs and onto unemployment. Families suffered, drug and alcohol use went up.

There was a reason WV voted against Obama twice and went landslide for Trump—they knew who had their interests in mind and who didn’t.
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Hello Darth Omar,

It is not simply a consideration of whether the economy needs coal jobs. A greater concern is whether the Earth needs more dirty fossil fuels burned up.

I definitely have compassion for those without work. Lack of opportunity does lead to increased drug and alcohol use. American blacks are a prime example.
 
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