CO2 and CERES: Where is the missing heat?

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The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the bureaucratic agency which appropriated the role of arbiter of things climatic, has advanced a theory for the lack of warming since the turn of the century, viz:
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The observed reduction in warming trend over the period 1998–2012 as compared to the period 1951–2012, is due in roughly equal measure to a cooling contribution from internal variability and a reduced trend in radiative forcing (medium confidence). The reduced trend in radiative forcing is primarily due to volcanic eruptions and the downward phase of the current solar cycle. However, there is low confidence in quantifying the role of changes in radiative forcing in causing this reduced warming trend.
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So I thought I’d look at the CERES dataset, and see what it has to say. I started with the surface temperature question. CERES contains a calculated surface dataset that covers twelve years. But in the process, I got surprised by the results of a calculation that for some reason I’d never done before. You know how the IPCC says that if the CO2 doubles, the earth will warm up by 3°C? Here was the question that somehow I’d never asked myself … how many watts/m2 will the surface downwelling radiation (longwave + shortwave) have to increase by, if the surface temperature rises by 3°C?

Now, you’d think that you could just use the Stefan-Boltzmann equation to figure out how many more upwelling watts would be represented by a global surface temperature rise of 3°C. Even that number was a surprise to me … 16.8 watts per square metre.




Figure 1. Blue line shows the anomaly in total downwelling surface radiation, longwave plus shortwave, in the CERES dataset, March 2003 to September 2012. Red line shows the trend in the downwelling radiation, which is 0.01 W/m2 per decade. Gray area shows the 95% confidence interval of the trend. Black line shows the expected effect of the increase in CO2 over the period, calculated at 21 W/m2 per doubling. CO2 data are from NOAA. Trend of the expected CO2 change in total downwelling surface radiation is 1.6 W/m2 per decade. CO2 data from NOAA.


But as they say on TV, wait, there’s more. The problem is, the surface loses energy in three ways—as radiation, as sensible heat, and as the latent heat of evapotranspiration. The energy loss from the surface by radiation (per CERES) is ~ 400 watts per square metre (W/m2), and the loss by sensible and latent heat is ~ 100 W/m2, or a quarter of the radiation loss.

Now, the sensible and latent heat loss is a parasitic loss, which means a loss in a heat engine that costs efficiency. And as any engineer can testify, parasitic losses are proportional to temperature, and as the operating temperatures rise, parasitic losses rise faster and faster. In addition, the 100 W/m2 is the global average, but these losses are disproportionately centered at the hot end of the system. At that end, they are rising as some power factor of the increasing temperature.

But let’s be real generous, and ignore all that. For the purpose of this analysis, we’ll swallow the whopper that a 3° temperature rise wouldn’t drive evaporation through the roof, and we’ll assume that the parasitic sensible and latent heat losses from the surface stay at a quarter of the radiation losses.

This means, of course, that instead of the increase of 16.8 W/m2 in downwelling radiation that we calculated above, we need 25% more downwelling radiation to account for the parasitic losses from the surface. (As I said, the true percentage of parasitic losses would be more than that, likely much more, but we’ll use a quarter for purposes of conservative estimation.)


Read more: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/01/13/co2-and-ceres/#more-101292
 
You are not supposed to look at the DATA... you are just supposed to listen to bloggers who shout consensus.

Isn't the OP the idiot that Started a thread asking if Dantes (accent grave over the e!) was banned because he "went to his page and he wasn't listed as banned"?

Surely you don't give this idiot any credibility do you?
 
Yes, bad science, but science none the less. It is good that you are trying to find out what science sounds like, since no one else on your side uses it.

Of course you don't have the intellectual firepower to criticise it in a constructive manner so you resort to ad homs instead.
 
Isn't the OP the idiot that Started a thread asking if Dantes (accent grave over the e!) was banned because he "went to his page and he wasn't listed as banned"?

Surely you don't give this idiot any credibility do you?

Looks like you spent the last months stalking the board, I feel sorry for you.
 
Of course you don't have the intellectual firepower to criticise it in a constructive manner so you resort to ad homs instead.

Nice cut and paste, douche nozzle, which proves only that you can cut and paste.

Assuming you are actually a scientist however, I will address your insult, since it is your only form of communication.

Like most "scientists I encounter, your opinions of everything are entirely based on unsupported assumptions.

I could go on and on but suffice it to say that the premise of your paste job:The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the bureaucratic agency which appropriated the role of arbiter of things climatic, has advanced a theory for the lack of warming since the turn of the century, viz: is incorrect. The warming hasn't stopped, liar.

Furthermore, the article is full of contradictions. For example, obviously entropy will be higher in more temperate zones, it is not an anomaly and, if you idiots actually knew why anything occurred, you could stop "researching", so STFU you parasite.
 
You mean the day before yesterday, moron? Yeah, I read up in preparation for my return.

I'm sure that you did, no doubt Snarla kept you up to speed as well. She is like the Charlie Manson of JPP and you are Squeaky Fromme. Would you kill for her as well?
 
Nice cut and paste, douche nozzle, which proves only that you can cut and paste.

Assuming you are actually a scientist however, I will address your insult, since it is your only form of communication.

Like most "scientists I encounter, your opinions of everything are entirely based on unsupported assumptions.

I could go on and on but suffice it to say that the premise of your paste job:The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the bureaucratic agency which appropriated the role of arbiter of things climatic, has advanced a theory for the lack of warming since the turn of the century, viz: is incorrect. The warming hasn't stopped, liar.

Furthermore, the article is full of contradictions. For example, obviously entropy will be higher in more temperate zones, it is not an anomaly and, if you idiots actually knew why anything occurred, you could stop "researching", so STFU you parasite.

Apparently the IPCC and the Met Office should just have consulted you rather than say that there has been a halt since 1998. Even Phil Jones of the CRU has stated that there hasn't been any statistically measurable warming in that time. As for your waffling about entropy, God alone knows what you are going on about. By the way, I have never ever claimed to be a scientist, I gained an honours degree in Chemistry and for most of my working I have been in IT. I did work for a couple of years with Ciba Geigy as a research chemist but decided it wasn't for me.
 
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Apparently the IPCC and the Met Office should just have consulted you rather than say that there has been a halt since 1998. Even Phil Jones of the CRU has stated that there hasn't been any statistically measurable warming in that time. As for your waffling about entropy, God alone knows what you are going on about. By the way, I have never ever claimed to be a scientist, I gained an honours degree in Chemistry and for most of my working I have been in IT. I did work for a couple of years with Ciba Geigy as a research chemist but decided it wasn't for me.
At least you admit you are not a scientist finally.
Explains why you dont understand entrophy or any thing else you cut and paste.
 
Apparently the IPCC and the Met Office should just have consulted you rather than say that there has been a halt since 1998. Even Phil Jones of the CRU has stated that there hasn't been any statistically measurable warming in that time. As for your waffling about entropy, God alone knows what you are going on about. By the way, I have never ever claimed to be a scientist, I gained an honours degree in Chemistry and for most of my working I have been in IT. I did work for a couple of years with Ciba Geigy as a research chemist but decided it wasn't for me.

Still needs some editing tommy. Try again you'll get it right, sooner or later!
 
At least you admit you are not a scientist finally.
Explains why you dont understand entrophy or any thing else you cut and paste.

I did a whole year of thermodynamics and they also taught me how to spell entropy as well. You would do well to stick to bashing bits of old iron. You were the twat that called me a scientist in the first place I have never claimed anything of the sort. Again for the terminally stupid, I have an honours degree in pure chemistry and worked for two years with Ciba Geigy.

I haven't had your in depth training in bashing metal so I can see why you might be confused.
 
Yes, bad science, but science none the less. It is good that you are trying to find out what science sounds like, since no one else on your side uses it.
Then you should be able to elaborate on what you think is bad...

funny how the fear mongers just attack, but never seem to show the data that supports their religious beliefs. All we hear are shouts of consensus!
 
Nice cut and paste, douche nozzle, which proves only that you can cut and paste.

Assuming you are actually a scientist however, I will address your insult, since it is your only form of communication.

Like most "scientists I encounter, your opinions of everything are entirely based on unsupported assumptions.

I could go on and on but suffice it to say that the premise of your paste job:The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the bureaucratic agency which appropriated the role of arbiter of things climatic, has advanced a theory for the lack of warming since the turn of the century, viz: is incorrect. The warming hasn't stopped, liar.

Furthermore, the article is full of contradictions. For example, obviously entropy will be higher in more temperate zones, it is not an anomaly and, if you idiots actually knew why anything occurred, you could stop "researching", so STFU you parasite.
so you will post your data showing that the global temps have continued increasing these past 15+ years??? post it, prove your position.
 
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