Clinton & Sanders Tie In Iowa Democratic Caucuses

Of course it's always possible that Bernie Sanders did get more votes. The totals that are published are not popular votes, their only county delegates. His vote may have been more spread out, resulting in winning fewer precincts.
 
Jean said:
That's inaccurate. The coin flips were for county delegates. There are 11k county delegates. So it made barely any difference, and didn't change the amount of national delegates each candidate got.
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Which doesn't change what I stated. The reality is it was so close that those coin flips could (and did) make the difference. What Jarod is saying "If he had won"... Had he won even three of those coin tosses the "victory" may have been announced for FeelingtheBern. Either way they split the delegates for Iowa, of course HillBillary already has all the Super Delegates so it really is useless even holding the votes.
 
Even if he had won, the difference is just a single delegate lead. This way he trails by one delegate, and, after NH will have a lead until SC happens...
 
Jean said:
CPUSA is a rightist organization I have no affiliation with.
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Trouble is, you do, and don't even realize it, fool.....like all Democrats

CPUSA Says Re-electing Obama is “Absolutely Essential”
Cliff Kincaid — June 27, 2012
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/cpusa-says-re-electing-obama-is-absolutely-essential/

The Sanders campaign is a wonderful development for 2016 and beyond in many ways.
http://cpusa.org/bernie-sanders-political-revolution/

Communist Party USA: ‘Working with the Democratic Party’ is key
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/29/communist-party-usa-working-with-the-democratic-pa/
 
NOVA said:
Trouble is, you do, and don't even realize it, fool.....like all Democrats

CPUSA Says Re-electing Obama is “Absolutely Essential”
Cliff Kincaid — June 27, 2012
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/cpusa-says-re-electing-obama-is-absolutely-essential/

The Sanders campaign is a wonderful development for 2016 and beyond in many ways.
http://cpusa.org/bernie-sanders-political-revolution/

Communist Party USA: ‘Working with the Democratic Party’ is key
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/29/communist-party-usa-working-with-the-democratic-pa/
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You have to understand Watermark's 'humor' to get his response. He's joking that he's such a Communist even the CPUSA is to his right.
 
Damocles said:
It was interesting to hear that it was so close that literally coin flips gave HillBillary a "victory". Six counties tied and used a coin flip to determine the winner between HillBillary and FeelingtheBern. FeelingtheBern lost every coin flip.
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What are the statistical odds of him losing EVERY coin flip? Granted they weren't consecutive flips and different flippers, but isn't it amazing that he didn't win one of them?
 
The odds of winning six straight coin flips is 1 in 64

I have read reports that Bernies supporters feel cheated by Hillary in Iowa

Remember many of the democrat party's hard core base have no loyalty to the Clinton's like many of JPP's "older" demalquedacrats

I envision a scenario where many disaffected lefties sit out in 2016 if they feel cheated by the Clinton establishment machine.
 
You are confusing national delegates with county delegates. There are 44 national delegates from Iowa. The coin flips WERE NOT for those 44 national delegates (in which case, Bernie would have come out ahead with three more). They were for 6 of the 11k county delegates. The county delegates are used to decide the national delegates, but in this instance there weren't enough to change it one way or the other.
 
Jarod said:
Sadly I agree.

If Rubio is the nominee, it will be every interesting to see what happens with the Hispanic vote.

Is his Hispanic identity enough to get those voters even if his policies are seen by that group as anti-Hispanic?

I had a serious girlfriend from Cuba for many years, according to her, many non-Cuban Hispanics traditionally do not like Cuban-Americans.
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Racism lol!

I think Rubio would be formidable in the general. I wish I trusted him more though.

He would peel some Hispanics off the democrat runner. Also, one of the under-reported stories yesterday was the strong Republican turnout. A strong republican turnout would negate a good bit of the minority vote.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Racism lol!

I think Rubio would be formidable in the general. I wish I trusted him more though.

He would peel some Hispanics off the democrat runner. Also, one of the under-reported stories yesterday was the strong Republican turnout. A strong republican turnout would negate a good bit of the minority vote.
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Actually I've heard that as well regarding Cubans and other Hispanics. The reason being is Cubans were given a chance to stay here and the possibility of citizenship when they migrated compared to Hispanics from Central and South America who weren't. That's what drives the resentment (according to what I read).

I say the following as one who wants the Republicans to win but (so far at least) I'm not buying Cruz's line that there are millions of conservative evangelical voters who have been sitting out elections waiting for someone like him. Maybe he'll prove me wrong but I wouldn't put my own money on it.

You are correct though that a huge Republican turnout is needed.
 
NOVA said:
Trouble is, you do, and don't even realize it, fool.....like all Democrats

CPUSA Says Re-electing Obama is “Absolutely Essential”
Cliff Kincaid — June 27, 2012
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/cpusa-says-re-electing-obama-is-absolutely-essential/

The Sanders campaign is a wonderful development for 2016 and beyond in many ways.
http://cpusa.org/bernie-sanders-political-revolution/

Communist Party USA: ‘Working with the Democratic Party’ is key
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/29/communist-party-usa-working-with-the-democratic-pa/
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The KKK is supporting Ben Carson, now that's something to brag about!

Pulaski, Tennessee-The Klu Klux Klan, (KKK) announced today their endorsement of Dr. Ben Carson for President of the United States. This marks the first time in history that the infamous hate group has endorsed an African American for our nation’s highest office. The Klan released this statement via it’s website.

“After careful consideration of all candidates and potential candidates, The American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan endorse Dr. Ben Carson for President of the United States. We feel Dr. Carson’s vision for America most closely resembles that of the Klan’s. It’s a new day for the KKK!”

- See more at: http://nationalreport.net/ku-klux-klan-endorse-dr-ben-carson-president/#sthash.SiiSccEB.dpuf
 
Jean said:
You are confusing national delegates with county delegates. There are 44 national delegates from Iowa. The coin flips WERE NOT for those 44 national delegates (in which case, Bernie would have come out ahead with three more). They were for 6 of the 11k county delegates. The county delegates are used to decide the national delegates, but in this instance there weren't enough to change it one way or the other.
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it's amazing you can follow any of that..
 
I Love America said:
What are the statistical odds of him losing EVERY coin flip? Granted they weren't consecutive flips and different flippers, but isn't it amazing that he didn't win one of them?
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You are misinformed, Bernie did not lose every coin toss. I just watched them toss a coin on television after a tie in one of the counties, Bernie won it.
 
Jarod said:
You are misinformed, Bernie did not lose every coin toss. I just watched them toss a coin on television after a tie in one of the counties, Bernie won it.
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Sam Lau, a spokesman for the Iowa Democratic Party........Lau said seven coin flips were reported statewide, and Bernie Sanders won six of them.

(maybe he donated his wins to Hillary)

The Des Moines Register has identified six coin flips through social media and one in an interview with a caucus participant. Of those seven, Clinton was the apparent winner of six. It's unknown if there is any overlap between the coin flips identified by the Register and the coin flips the state party confirmed.

Confusing, huh....
 
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