Classified documents found at Mike Pence's home and turned over to DOJ: Sources

Gosh I hope that whoever took these documents and failed to return them is found! And the fact that they could break into Mike's house and make it look like he took them and didn't handle them correctly is even more sobering.

In all seriousness this is beginning to look like a problem for both sides and for all politicians. Maybe we need to reconfigure how documents are viewed in the SCIF or how they are signed out and returned.
 
LurchAddams said:
LOL I think you're talking about every US Rep, Senator, VP or president. At one time or another all have had security clearance. Makes us wonder how many of our national secrets are spread all over the country. You and I are in TX, right? Let's you and I go and see what's at W.'s old ranch :)
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Thanks!

I think it is a problem out of control.

And not only that, a lot of these documents are stamped Classified by presidents with agendas and other politicians to cover up campaign strategies and agendas- and what have you?

All at a time when we need even more transparency, and less coverup, and classifying documents is just a tool that has been abused and misused to cover their bad shit up!

Often times, classifying documents is just a way to cover up things to the public, or their political adversaries, so they do now know what is really going on.

And that is why much of it is in the garages of these politicians now, and the reasons why some do not want to let go of them now!

Our Intelligence community are not the only ones classifying documents. Anyone can classify a document!
 
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Nomad said:
I agree.

Sounds inadvertent.

Unintentional.

Good news for Biden.
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Senator Biden removed Classified Documents from a SCIF . That isn't an unintentional accident. When you exit they have a person that has your phone and electronic devices that ask you if you are "clean" before they are returned to you. Biden obviously smuggled them out for a reason. Probably to copy and sell the information to China or Ukraine where his son made million selling access to Joe Biden.
 
ExpressLane said:
Senator Biden removed Classified Documents from a SCIF . That isn't an unintentional accident. When you exit they have a person that has your phone and electronic devices that ask you if you are "clean" before they are returned to you. Biden obviously smuggled them out for a reason. Probably to copy and sell the information to China or Ukraine where his son made million selling access to Joe Biden.
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Your posts are so full of shit they should come with a biohazard warning label.

Classified documents can easily be mixed in with non-classified documents accidentally.

Trump is the only one who intentionally STOLE classified documents, took them home and tossed them in an unlocked closet.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Cool! Let's do Bill and the Hildabeast's house along with the Obama's next! Bet they have shit stashed here and there that's classified and they don't know it either... While we're at it, let's do all of the members of Congress. We might as well clean the house thoroughly!
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I can't disagree with you on that.
 
ExpressLane said:
Senator Biden removed Classified Documents from a SCIF . That isn't an unintentional accident. When you exit they have a person that has your phone and electronic devices that ask you if you are "clean" before they are returned to you. Biden obviously smuggled them out for a reason. Probably to copy and sell the information to China or Ukraine where his son made million selling access to Joe Biden.
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You have 0 evidence for that claim.
 
ExpressLane said:
Tell us again how VP's can declassify a document that they didn't first classify. :laugh:
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Tell me again how you know when Biden’s documents were put in the places they were found? Tell me who put them there? Tell me if Biden ever even saw them?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Actually, his own staff says he took nearly 30 million pages of documents...

Almost all the media coverage of this controversy has ignored or downplayed the dismal failure of the Presidential Records Act to reveal presidents’ records. A Washington Post analysis of the dispute on the 30 million pages conceded, “As with many issues of government transparency and document-sharing, it’s true that this is not great! You often have to wait years for requested documents, and this appears to be no exception.”
https://nypost.com/2022/08/14/there...a-national-archives-in-trump-fbi-raid-uproar/

When most office workers leave a job, clearing out their desk involves a cardboard box and maybe a paper shredder. When the office worker is the President of the United States, it means military cargo planes, police-escorted tractor trailers – and getting nowhere near that shredder.

On Tuesday, the White House began the laborious process of transferring all of President Barack Obama’s records – his memos, his letters, his schedules, and, yes, his emails – to the National Archives, which under federal law takes ownership of the documents when Obama leaves office.

At the downtown Washington Archives headquarters on Tuesday, uniformed US service members were busy loading palettes of cardboard boxes stuffed with Obama administration records onto orange forklifts. The boxes, which were carefully catalogued with green slips of paper and wrapped in clear plastic, were shuttled from a loading dock and into the back of a white Ryder moving van
https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/01/politics/obama-white-house-records/index.html

The Obama administration in its final year in office spent a record $36.2 million on legal costs defending its refusal to turn over federal records under the Freedom of Information Act, according to an Associated Press analysis of new U.S. data that also showed poor performance in other categories measuring transparency in government.

For a second consecutive year, the Obama administration set a record for times federal employees told citizens, journalists and others that despite searching they couldn’t find a single page of files that were requested.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-administration-spent-36m-on-records-lawsuits-last-year/

All recent presidents took lots of documents with them on leaving office.

The contorted Presidential Records Act is a bipartisan scam to hide White House mischief
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...record-act-hide-history/6803334001/?gnt-cfr=1

So, as usual, you are full of shit and have no facts to back your assertions.
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https://www.obama.org/updates/obama-presidential-archives-fact-sheet/




A Library for the Digital Age
Presidential Libraries have evolved over the years, and even as the volume of electronic records has grown over time, NARA’s Obama Presidential Library will be the first to truly reflect the digital age. The vast majority of the records from the Obama presidency were born-digital—for an estimated 95 percent of the records, there never was a paper version.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
Thanks!

I think it is a problem out of control.

And not only that, a lot of these documents are stamped Classified by presidents with agendas and other politicians to cover up campaign strategies and agendas- and what have you?

All at a time when we need even more transparency, and less coverup, and classifying documents is just a tool that has been abused and misused to cover their bad shit up!

Often times, classifying documents is just a way to cover up things to the public, or their political adversaries, so they do now know what is really going on.

And that is why much of it is in the garages of these politicians now, and the reasons why some do not want to let go of them now!

Our Intelligence community are not the only ones classifying documents. Anyone can classify a document!
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The Pentagon Papers and what's going on in Area 51 might be in Ted Cruz's basement? Oh no!
 
LurchAddams said:
The Pentagon Papers and what's going on in Area 51 might be in Ted Cruz's basement? Oh no!
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:laugh: Perfect! :laugh:

I suspect that the EPA's air quality monitoring detectors are picking up a spike in atmospheric burn particles in the last few days... esp. in "red" states. lol
 
ExpressLane said:
Senator Biden removed Classified Documents from a SCIF . That isn't an unintentional accident. When you exit they have a person that has your phone and electronic devices that ask you if you are "clean" before they are returned to you. Biden obviously smuggled them out for a reason. Probably to copy and sell the information to China or Ukraine where his son made million selling access to Joe Biden.
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Why does everything seem to funnel down through to a political jab or political narrative for you?

And who told that these documents Biden had, the public has not even seen yet, you say he acquired from a SCIF? Who told you that?

Just asking for a friend- a friend who doesn't watch FOX NEWS!
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Well, it wasn't Republicans that were using unvetted and uncleared foreign nationals to run their computer services in Congress. That'd be 35 Democrats...

https://www.judicialwatch.org/judic...n-brothers-congressional-democrat-it-scandal/

It wasn't a Republican member of Congress that was sleeping with a Chinese spy and hired her friends to work in his office...

My bet is the Democrats go down first...
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You crack me up sometimes. Yes there are Republicans that have been caught canoodling with foreign agents. Flynn was fired for failing to report he was working with Turkey. Manafort helped set up the Russian stooge in Ukraine before Zelensky. Jr, Manafort, and a bunch of other twumptards were caught meeting with Russian spies in twump tower to dig up dirt on Biden. Rudy - well - there's too much foreign agent stuff going on with him to mention.

Here's some good reading for you:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/maria...-ties-to-russian-intelligence-prosecutors-say

"Maria Butina, whose years-long mission to build ties between Russia, the National Rifle Association and the Republican Party led to her arrest this week, has ties to Russian intelligence, federal prosecutors alleged on Wednesday.

Among documents uncovered in Butina’s apartment after her arrest on Sunday was a “hand-written” note asking, “How to respond to FSB offer of employment?” the Justice Department said in a court filing. The FSB is the successor to the Soviet-era KGB."
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Mishandling is a crime in and of itself. I held a Secret clearance for nearly three decades. Mishandling classified documents is a crime.
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There are 1.3 million people with top secret clearance in the US right now. Makes you think how many of our secrets are in people's garages gathering dust.
 
Perry Phimosis said:
Gosh I hope that whoever took these documents and failed to return them is found! And the fact that they could break into Mike's house and make it look like he took them and didn't handle them correctly is even more sobering.

In all seriousness this is beginning to look like a problem for both sides and for all politicians. Maybe we need to reconfigure how documents are viewed in the SCIF or how they are signed out and returned.
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Bingo. I heard on a podcast today that one of the documents considered "top secret" with someone was a newspaper article. C'mon.
 
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