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In this season to be jolly, can we take an ecumenical look at a puzzling religious question?
It looks like there are some who hate the idea of humans having free will.
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Epicurus wasn't very bright.....he wasn't even aware of the concept of the false premise.....
In this season to be jolly, can we take an ecumenical look at a puzzling religious question?
Really? You don't think that a fat bellied elf in a red suit...leaving presents under a tree is to be found in the Bible? Of course its not. This holiday is a Tradition that has borrowed many of its components from the many different cultures that have made this nation home as a world melting pot. That's the same reason many celebrate the holiday of easter by chasing around a Rabbit who has been hiding colored chicken eggs. Its a TRADITION....now both are American Traditions. Some wish to place religious overtures on these traditions and THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT.
I would never dream of denying the children of this nation such American Traditions....in my opinion both are for our children. But that's my personal opinion and I have that right as well. So
Merry Christmass and Happy New Year...soon to be followed by a great Easter and Spring....my best wishes during this season to EVERYONE.
I am sure that's a consensus....thus making it a left wing truth. How could anyone find fault in witnessing innocent children rush out of bed in order to destroy the house with paper, boxes, and toy parts that will never find their proper fitment with its corresponding toy. Just relax and enjoy the season with family.
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But it does the raise the question of how did you become so stupid, that you are unable to figure out how to utilize the quote feature??
It looks like there are some who hate the idea of humans having free will.
Epicurus fucks you idiots up every time. Free will for you morons is an excuse for your feckless deity
He sets your head spinning every time. What is the false premise, "Christian"? lol
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So you don't believe that humans should have free will??
Of course humans have free will. This is how Epicurus fucks with you willfully ignorant "Christians" every time and your only response is the free will thing.
If your omniscient, omnipresent, omnibenevolent, omnipotent deity exists, then there is no "free will". He/she/it knows all that has ever happened or what WILL happen. If the what WILL happen is already known, no free will for you. A done deal before you even did it.
The free will argument is nothing more than excuse for you to not be able to answer why your all-powerful deity does nothing to prevent all the misery in this world.
Not in the least clear to me why this is being harped on here.
But since it is, Art Schopenhauer addressed it quite handily.
In any case, believers have an answer for this:
religion guides the way, but it's still individual human choice if choose good or evil.
But why are you all tip-toeing around the topic?
If god is omnipotent and omniscient and omnipresent, then why does evil exist? If god can defeat the devil, why has he not?
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And that's where you fail.
You act like God is supposed to interfere; but doesn't that interference negate the idea of free will; because humans have the ability to choose who they're going to behave and they can choose to do the right thing or the wrong thing.
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In this season to be jolly, can we take an ecumenical look at a puzzling religious question?
Silly question. We're mortals. He created humans to believe in him by faith. The very fact that we can not "figure him out" with our limited brains proves why he is God and we are not. For those with no faith, no answer will ever satisfy you. God created everything including good and evil to suit his purpose. It's God's business how and why he made us. No human can understand the full powerful mind of God and I like it like that....takes the pressure and frustration out of life.
"For He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous."
Matthew 5:45
We can not work or earn our way to him because we would be full of pride instead of humility. He wants us to come to him with child-like faith. All questions will be answered when we leave this life and live in his presence forever.
"If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."
Romans 10:9,10
God is God. He is the potter and we are the clay, not the other way around. Job learned that the hard way.
Read Job chapters 38 > 42 for the best explanation.
a) The Bible says we're created in his own image & likeness.
b) The very fact that we can not "figure him out" with our limited brains proves why he is God and we are not." S #15
Do you have any evidence for this at all?
If you study history, the opposite would seem to be true. Read Bertolt Brecht's Galileo. Science used to be the handmaiden of religion, until Galileo's astronomical observations contradicted Catholic Church doctrine.
I see no evidence that supports your "The very fact that we can not "figure him out" with our limited brains" claim.
We may not have figured it all out yet.
But we've done quite well, just in my lifetime! I was born in 1954. Back then there were cars on the road with 2 wheel brakes.
The cars we drive today are vastly improved!
They're safer.
They're more comfortable.
They're more economical.
They're more reliable.
Nope.
From Newton to Einstein, and well beyond; I think we're doing quite well.
This is what trips you up every time. If you possess this supposedly omnibenevolent deity, why does he choose to not interfere to prevent misery? You can't answer that pressing question because you have to give up one or more of those characteristics you assign to your myth.
"The Bible is the word of God"
"How can you be sure it's the word of God?"
"Because the Bible tells us so"
"Why believe the Bible?"
"The Bible is infallible"
"How do you know it's infallible?"...
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Because we are responsible for all of our actions, due to having free will.
Misery is normally caused through either human action or non-action and if God intervened, then why would anyone have a reason to change their behavior.