Steelplate
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What in the hell does this topic have to do with Gitmo? Perhaps I should interject the Steelers draft needs into the discussion. It makes about as much sense.
Christian terrorism
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What in the hell does this topic have to do with Gitmo? Perhaps I should interject the Steelers draft needs into the discussion. It makes about as much sense.
The gang problem would diminish but Al Sharpton and MSNBC and NAACP would see to it you would have a new and bloody race problem......put your Wigger hat
on just be safe.....
Of course you can back up your nonsensical jibberish with proof, that Al Sharpton supports gangs, as does MSNBC and the NAACP. There USA trial going on now where the men are being tried as domestic terrorists, are they protesting this trial?
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And if you could actually read on at least a third grade level, you'd notice I didn't say that anyone supported gangs....
I should have figured your post only meant 'white' gangs.....
christiefan915
Catalyst
I think gangs are terrorists but people don't refer to them like that. When you read about gangs, stories go along the lines of "the Crips terrorized south L.A." or the "Bloods terrorized the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn." (I'm making up the actual neighborhoods but not the language about what gangs do.)
christiefan915
Catalyst
Oh yeah, lets! Who do you think we'll go for in the draft?
Steelplate
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Thanks... didn't know that.
Steelplate
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I can't give you names. I don't follow college football enough(besides PSU) to.know who they all are.
I think their needs are RB, both LB positions, safety, and a fast WR. I think our OL and DL are set, given time to gel.
I wouldn't be surprised if they trade down...there's rumors that they might...but that could be smoke.
If you could form a coherent thought it might help. You used the word diminish, what is the opposite of diminish? If Al is not diminishing gangs, then what is he doing? If the NCAAP is not diminishing gangs, what is the opposite.
If you aren't implying support, what are you implying?
Sharpton speaks against gang violence all the time. I believe this is his part in diminishing it.
Originally Posted by NOVA
April 22, 2013 by Tim Brown
White House Receives Petition To Stop All Islamic Immigration Into US
Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/04/w...ll-islamic-immigration-into-us/#ixzz2RKGR0rEG
Man, are you fast....but you should have told them you meant Christians.....thats what we were talking about.
April 22, 2013 by Tim Brown
White House Receives Petition To Stop All Islamic Immigration Into US
Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/04/w...ll-islamic-immigration-into-us/#ixzz2RKGR0rEG
Man, are you fast....but you should have told them you meant Christians.....thats what we were talking about.
signalmankenneth
Verified User
When It Comes to Killing in the Name of Religion and Nationhood, Christians Hold....
When It Comes to Killing in the Name of Religion and Nationhood, Christians Hold the Modern Record
There are few Americans -- if any but extremist Armageddon (of any religion) and anti-government militia supporters -- who feel anything but the deepest of sorrow for the victims of the Boston Marathon apparent religious act of terrorism – conducted by what appear to be a radicalized permanent resident and his younger brother, an American citizen. It was -- as was 9/11 -- a heinous, shocking act.
But the insightful Juan Cole puts into perspective that most followers of Islam are peaceful people. The Jihadists and their networks compose a small percentage of believers in the Islamic faith.
Perhaps it is a little too early to start comparing the death tolls caused by different religious faiths in the last 100 years, but Cole takes a stab at it -- and this is what he finds. In the 20th Century, of the estimated (and this is hardly a firm figure, understated if anything) 120 million people were killed in wars and war-like acts (terrorism) only a small fraction of that figure was the result of Muslim killings. Cole offers a chart that visually displays the dramatic lopsided accountability of Christian nations: mostly those located in Europe plus the US and Canada.
Many Americans will react with dismay that Cole is setting the record straight. But it is vital to point out that he condemns terrorism and war for empire of any sort. He is simply pointing out that to think that Christianity and Christian nations are more virtuous and less blood thirsty than followers of Islam is statistically incorrect. As Cole concludes in his commentary on relative blood lust in the name of a divine force or nationhood,
Terrorism is a tactic of extremists within each religion, and within secular religions of Marxism or nationalism. No religion, including Islam, preaches indiscriminate violence against innocents.
It takes a peculiar sort of blindness to see Christians of European heritage as “nice” and Muslims and inherently violent, given the twentieth century death toll I mentioned above. Human beings are human beings and the species is too young and too interconnected to have differentiated much from group to group. People resort to violence out of ambition or grievance, and the more powerful they are, the more violence they seem to commit. The good news is that the number of wars is declining over time, and World War II, the biggest charnel house in history, hasn’t been repeated.
Nothing can further exemplify the deep roots of a Christian need to force others to accept Jesus Christ as saviors than the gory, bloody rampage of the Crusades, which over years left countless "infidels" slain. Or one can look at the inquisition where non-believers in Christ were tortured and executed.
Add to that, just for the sake of example, the missionary slaughter that took place when Spain and Portugal colonized Central and South America for Christ (and gold and other riches). Or the savagery of European Christian nations conquering Africa and engaging in slavery.
No, there are no excuses or sympathy to be expressed for the Tsarnaev brothers. Their act was horrifying, incomprehensible – causing the most profound grief at a finish line that is a symbol of triumph. So are the acts of suicide bombers, bombers of buses, etc. Public acts of terrorism are gruesome, terrifying and heart-wrenching; but so are many acts of war in the name of nationhood, ethnic identity, religion -- often all of these together.
But rather than proceed on another post 9/11 government and FOX/Limbaugh decade of Islamaphobia, we need to look into our own religious and national identities to find pathways toward peace with all religions. Faith in a divine force has been a historical spiritual need for most of the world, but the need to impose a given faith on others has been a ghastly virus that breaks out from time to time. The result is inevitably maiming and a gruesome loss of life.
There is no virtue in the history of the Christian Western World when it comes to wars and killing. We need to prevent as many acts as we can similar to the Boston Marathon massacre, but to do so, we must also look inside ourselves and recognize that killing under the flag of any religion, nation or tribal identity is abhorrent – whether it be the Tsarnaev brothers or wars for religion, tribal identity (including nationhood) or empire.
By MARK KARLIN
When It Comes to Killing in the Name of Religion and Nationhood, Christians Hold the Modern Record
There are few Americans -- if any but extremist Armageddon (of any religion) and anti-government militia supporters -- who feel anything but the deepest of sorrow for the victims of the Boston Marathon apparent religious act of terrorism – conducted by what appear to be a radicalized permanent resident and his younger brother, an American citizen. It was -- as was 9/11 -- a heinous, shocking act.
But the insightful Juan Cole puts into perspective that most followers of Islam are peaceful people. The Jihadists and their networks compose a small percentage of believers in the Islamic faith.
Perhaps it is a little too early to start comparing the death tolls caused by different religious faiths in the last 100 years, but Cole takes a stab at it -- and this is what he finds. In the 20th Century, of the estimated (and this is hardly a firm figure, understated if anything) 120 million people were killed in wars and war-like acts (terrorism) only a small fraction of that figure was the result of Muslim killings. Cole offers a chart that visually displays the dramatic lopsided accountability of Christian nations: mostly those located in Europe plus the US and Canada.
Many Americans will react with dismay that Cole is setting the record straight. But it is vital to point out that he condemns terrorism and war for empire of any sort. He is simply pointing out that to think that Christianity and Christian nations are more virtuous and less blood thirsty than followers of Islam is statistically incorrect. As Cole concludes in his commentary on relative blood lust in the name of a divine force or nationhood,
Terrorism is a tactic of extremists within each religion, and within secular religions of Marxism or nationalism. No religion, including Islam, preaches indiscriminate violence against innocents.
It takes a peculiar sort of blindness to see Christians of European heritage as “nice” and Muslims and inherently violent, given the twentieth century death toll I mentioned above. Human beings are human beings and the species is too young and too interconnected to have differentiated much from group to group. People resort to violence out of ambition or grievance, and the more powerful they are, the more violence they seem to commit. The good news is that the number of wars is declining over time, and World War II, the biggest charnel house in history, hasn’t been repeated.
Nothing can further exemplify the deep roots of a Christian need to force others to accept Jesus Christ as saviors than the gory, bloody rampage of the Crusades, which over years left countless "infidels" slain. Or one can look at the inquisition where non-believers in Christ were tortured and executed.
Add to that, just for the sake of example, the missionary slaughter that took place when Spain and Portugal colonized Central and South America for Christ (and gold and other riches). Or the savagery of European Christian nations conquering Africa and engaging in slavery.
No, there are no excuses or sympathy to be expressed for the Tsarnaev brothers. Their act was horrifying, incomprehensible – causing the most profound grief at a finish line that is a symbol of triumph. So are the acts of suicide bombers, bombers of buses, etc. Public acts of terrorism are gruesome, terrifying and heart-wrenching; but so are many acts of war in the name of nationhood, ethnic identity, religion -- often all of these together.
But rather than proceed on another post 9/11 government and FOX/Limbaugh decade of Islamaphobia, we need to look into our own religious and national identities to find pathways toward peace with all religions. Faith in a divine force has been a historical spiritual need for most of the world, but the need to impose a given faith on others has been a ghastly virus that breaks out from time to time. The result is inevitably maiming and a gruesome loss of life.
There is no virtue in the history of the Christian Western World when it comes to wars and killing. We need to prevent as many acts as we can similar to the Boston Marathon massacre, but to do so, we must also look inside ourselves and recognize that killing under the flag of any religion, nation or tribal identity is abhorrent – whether it be the Tsarnaev brothers or wars for religion, tribal identity (including nationhood) or empire.
By MARK KARLIN
christiefan915
Catalyst
I don't imply anything.....if I mean something else, I'll say it....if I don't say, I don't mean it....
There is no doubt that if you try to enslave or kill Americans, you will pay a heavy toll.....not with terrorism or indiscriminate killing, but those responsible
will pay for agression against us will suffer the consequences.....not as Christians, but as Americans....
In the past 100 years 2 world wars were started, not by America but the America's enemy's....and other wars we have participated in was
to defend friends and allys against aggression from others, and against acts of terrorism and those the sponsor terrorism and terrorists....
So fuck you.....we will not sit on our hands nor turn the other cheek nor be like the cowards that now ridicule our forces and apologize for the terrorist enemies
of civilization....so clap away assholes.....
Todays Christians are inherently 'nice' compared to todays Muslims that teach their children to wear suicide vests and blow themselves up to kill us....so fuck you all
that feel differently....
Christians have not killed in the name of Christianity for centuries, and no one can claim otherwise. Many Muslims have and do kill for and in the name of their religion.
What little respect I had for Christiefan is completey gone....
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Well, whatever you mean, you are wrong.
cawacko
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I read Mark Karlin's column and say ok he accurately states what's been done in the past in the name of Christianity and then I ask myself what does that have to do with today? I don't see Christians calling for jihad and elimination or death to the west (or east or wherever) and to my knowledge there aren't Christian terrorist training camps around the globe like we see with Islamic extremists. I think Bill Maher called it right, I don't see a comparison between the two.
Now by saying this I'm not suggesting all Muslims are bad or anything to that effect. We are talking about a small group within Islam. But when it comes to violence today I'm not getting this 'the religions are equal' comparison.
Now by saying this I'm not suggesting all Muslims are bad or anything to that effect. We are talking about a small group within Islam. But when it comes to violence today I'm not getting this 'the religions are equal' comparison.
Look at the small group in Islam, look at stats of violent crime in the USA, what is the age, sex and gender. I think these things come more into play than what form of radicalism is adopted. I think people avoid this discussion, unless it is in regards to profiling at the airport.
christiefan915
Catalyst
The difference to me is that violent crime is violent crime, and attaching a religious designation to one but not the others is disingenuous. Whether the person was killed by a Crip or a Middle Eastern terrorist, he's still dead. Attaching a religion to the crime just feeds into bigotry, IMO.