CHRISTIAN EVANGELIST FRANKLIN GRAHAM IS SELLING PRO-TRUMP ‘PRAY FOR 45’ SHIRTS ONLINE

kudzu said:
“The people of Israel, including the priests and the Levites, have not kept themselves separate from the neighboring peoples with their detestable practices, like those of the Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Jebusites, Ammonites, Moabites, Egyptians and Amorites. They have taken some of their daughters as wives for themselves and their sons, and have mingled the holy race with the peoples around them. And the leaders and officials have led the way in this unfaithfulness” (Ezra 9:1–2).


In Ezra 10:2–3, as Ezra was praying, a large group of Israelites came to him in repentance. They made a proposal to rectify the situation: “We have been unfaithful to our God by marrying foreign women from the peoples around us. But in spite of this, there is still hope for Israel. Now let us make a covenant before our God to send away all these women and their children, in accordance with the counsel of my lord and of those who fear the commands of our God. Let it be done according to the Law.” The purpose of this covenant would be to once again set apart the Jewish people as fully devoted to the Lord and remove all connections with those who worshiped other gods. The agreement required the men of Judah to divorce their pagan wives.

Ezra agreed that this covenant was the proper course of action. He commanded, “You have been unfaithful; you have married foreign women, adding to Israel’s guilt. Now honor the Lord, the God of your ancestors, and do his will. Separate yourselves from the peoples around you and from your foreign wives” (Ezra 10:10–11).
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he was speaking to those who had not been in captivity.......I think nowdays we refer to them as Palestinians......and this was NOT the cause for the Diaspora.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
he was speaking to those who had not been in captivity.......I think nowdays we refer to them as Palestinians......and this was NOT the cause for the Diaspora.......
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Sure it was contributory.. Before the birth of Christ there were large Jewish communities in Damascus, Aleppo, Alexandria, Persia, Bahrain, the Barbary Coast, Egypt, Bahrain, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea.

Palestine never had a large population .. It couldn't support a large population.

The good figs were taken to Babylon (the bad figs stayed behind) and most of the good figs returned.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
the master of irrelevancy ignores Sarah and the line of decent that follows........major fail, bible sckuller......
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Keturahwas a concubine and wife of the Biblical patriarch Abraham. According to the Book of Genesis, Abraham married Keturah after the death of his first wife, Sarah. Abraham and Keturah had six sons.

One modern commentator on the Hebrew Bible has called Keturah "the most ignored significant person in the Torah".

The medieval Jewish commentator Rashi, and some previous rabbinical commentators, related a traditional belief that Keturah was the same person as Hagar, although this idea cannot be found in the biblical text.

The biblical traditions concerning Abraham and related characters are generally regarded as non-historical by today's scholars.

Keturah bore Abraham six sons: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. Genesis and First Chronicles also list seven of her grandsons (Sheba, Dedan, Ephah, Epher, Enoch, Abida, and Eldaah).

Keturah's sons were said to have represented the Arab tribes who lived south and east of Palestine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keturah
 
kudzu said:
Sure it was contributory.. Before the birth of Christ there were large Jewish communities in Damascus, Aleppo, Alexandria, Persia, Bahrain, the Barbary Coast, Egypt, Bahrain, Elephantine Island and all around the Med Sea.

Palestine never had a large population .. It couldn't support a large population.

The good figs were taken to Babylon (the bad figs stayed behind) and most of the good figs returned.
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just stop with the bullshit.....the Diaspora was already in progress for hundreds of years at the time of Ezra......
 
kudzu said:
Keturahwas a concubine and wife of the Biblical patriarch Abraham. According to the Book of Genesis, Abraham married Keturah after the death of his first wife, Sarah. Abraham and Keturah had six sons.

One modern commentator on the Hebrew Bible has called Keturah "the most ignored significant person in the Torah".

The medieval Jewish commentator Rashi, and some previous rabbinical commentators, related a traditional belief that Keturah was the same person as Hagar, although this idea cannot be found in the biblical text.

The biblical traditions concerning Abraham and related characters are generally regarded as non-historical by today's scholars.

Keturah bore Abraham six sons: Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah. Genesis and First Chronicles also list seven of her grandsons (Sheba, Dedan, Ephah, Epher, Enoch, Abida, and Eldaah).

Keturah's sons were said to have represented the Arab tribes who lived south and east of Palestine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keturah
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lol.....okay......you want to go off on tangents......go for it.....WHY is Keturah significant in your view?.....explain the relevance to your claim that the patriarchs "had to" have foreign wives based upon this obscure reference to a third wife who isn't even identified as being foreign......
 
kudzu said:
There was NO such rule until after the Babylonian exile.. Jewish men had always had foreign wives.. Consider Abraham, Moses, Boaz, King David, Solomon etc.

After the Babylonian exile Ezra ordered Jewish men to divorce their foreign wives and dump the children of those unions.

Most would NOT comply and so began the Diaspora.

Now you know.
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Before I address your non educated response. I want to address your failure to understand what Graham said, and your gross misrepresentation of his actual comments. Can we start there?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
lol.....okay......you want to go off on tangents......go for it.....WHY is Keturah significant in your view?.....explain the relevance to your claim that the patriarchs "had to" have foreign wives based upon this obscure reference to a third wife who isn't even identified as being foreign......
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They always had foreign wives until they returned from Babylon and Ezra told them to divorce their foreign wives.

Keturah is important because she had six sons with Abraham.
 
J Craft said:
Before I address your non educated response. I want to address your failure to understand what Graham said, and your gross misrepresentation of his actual comments. Can we start there?
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I know exactly what Franklin Graham said and he's still a moron. He said Obama was a Muslim because his father was a Muslim..
 
kudzu said:
They always had foreign wives until they returned from Babylon and Ezra told them to divorce their foreign wives.

Keturah is important because she had six sons with Abraham.
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really?......and what is she important for?.....or were her six sons important for something......or, more likely, is your entire argument completely irrelevant?.....
 
kudzu said:
I know exactly what Franklin Graham said and he's still a moron. He said Obama was a Muslim because his father was a Muslim..
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really?.....do you have a link to him saying that?.....and don't say its quoted above because that isn't what he said and you know it isn't what he said........
 
PostmodernProphet said:
really?.....do you have a link to him saying that?.....and don't say its quoted above because that isn't what he said and you know it isn't what he said........
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Obama's father and stepfather were Atheists.. Obama did NOT go to a Muslim school. and Obama's grandfather on his father's side was a Catholic.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
he was speaking to those who had not been in captivity.......I think nowdays we refer to them as Palestinians......and this was NOT the cause for the Diaspora.......
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Ezra was born in 480 B.C. and he died in 440 B.C.
Biblical References: The book of Ezra in the Bible tells about the Jewish peoples return back to Jerusalem after they were exiled. The story of Ezra's life is revealed in chapter seven of the same book.
References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05535a.htm
 
kudzu said:
Ezra was born in 480 B.C. and he died in 440 B.C.
Biblical References: The book of Ezra in the Bible tells about the Jewish peoples return back to Jerusalem after they were exiled. The story of Ezra's life is revealed in chapter seven of the same book.
References:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05535a.htm
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???.....and do you think this somehow has bearing on what we were discussing?.......what I posted is revealed in the book of Ezra.......what you posted denies it.......
 
kudzu said:


Obama's father and stepfather were Atheists.. Obama did NOT go to a Muslim school. and Obama's grandfather on his father's side was a Catholic.
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His grandfather was a Catholic. He converted to Islam.
“As a young man, Onyango Obama traveled widely, enlisting in the British colonial forces and visiting Europe, India, and Zanzibar. There, he converted from Roman Catholicism to Islam and took the name Hussein. He became a cook for missionaries and a local herbalist in Nairobi.”

Obama did attend a Muslim school, and it is reasonable to assume his mother was a practicing Muslim while married to Soetoro. Even if she were not, children of a Muslim father must be raised as Muslims. Obama’s natural and stepfather were Muslim. Graham’s commentscare hardly outrageous in scope or content.

”According to Islamic Law, if a Muslim man marries a Jewish or Christian woman, the woman has the right to continue practicing her faith. But the children of a Muslim man must always be raised as Muslims. No Muslim is permitted to convert to another religion. Any such act is viewed as apostasy and punishable, including by death in some Islamic jurisdictions. “
 
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