Chomsky and Aristotle on the Common Good

BidenPresident said:
Aristotle took it for granted that a democracy should be fully participatory (with some notable exceptions, like women and slaves) and that it should aim for the common good. In order to achieve that, it has to ensure relative equality, “moderate and sufficient property” and “lasting prosperity” for everyone.

In other words, Aristotle felt that if you have extremes of poor and rich, you can’t talk seriously about democracy. Any true democracy has to be what we call today a welfare state—actually, an extreme form of one, far beyond anything envisioned in this century. (When I pointed this out at a press conference in Majorca, the
headlines in the Spanish papers read something like, If Aristotle were alive today, he’d be denounced as a dangerous radical. That’s probably true.)


https://1motorcyclist.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/noam-chomsky-2011-how-the-world-works.pdf
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Communism has killed more of its own people than any other political/economic system in history.

THE SHIT DOESN'T WORK, NEITHER OF THOSE TWO FOOLS EVER LIVED IT.

CHOMSKY WAS A MILLIONAIRE, AND ARISTOLE WAS AN ARISTOCRAT.
THEY RELIED ON DULLARDS LIKE YOU TO LISTEN TO THE SHIT THEY WOULDN'T DREAM OF DOING THEMSELVES.


STANDARD, FULLASHIT, "FOR THEE, NOT FOR ME" LEFTIDIOTS.
 
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Taichiliberal said:
Only a completely and willfully ignorant MAGA minion would post as you did here, Earl. I doubt you've ever read any of Chomsky's works. And what's with the biblical quote? WTF does that have to do with anything?

I defy you or any of the dummies who thanked you for your drivel to post just ONE quote from one of Chomsky's works that advocates anarchy. If you can't, then you're a perfect doormat for Trump & the current MAGA GOP congress.
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“Best known for his revolutionary work in linguistics and cognitive science, ***Noam Chomsky is an avowed anarchist.***It seems a like a contradiction. Anarchy is so often portrayed as chaos for chaos’s sake, a perverse impulse to implode a society that’s the product of thousands of years of social progress. What business does a celebrated thinker have advocating for something that seems so fundamentally thoughtless?”
https://bigthink.com/the-present/noam-chomsky-anarchist-beliefs/


Avowed"-that has been asserted, admitted, or stated publicly.


Now, take a hike, pendejo.
 
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McRocket said:
So what?
Some old fart has an opinion.
An erroneous one - at that.

The minute you give even the slightest more credence to intellectual theories that people have...due to their 'reputation'?
That is the day you become a gullible fool.
Like the empty saps who actually base their lives on 'leap of faith' religions.
And then try and ram their God Club nonsense, down everyone else's throats.


1) democracy should NOT be fully participatory.
Only the most intelligent, well-read people (100 IQ minimum) should be allowed to vote.
We don't allow morons to judge trials.
Nor should we allow morons to choose our leaders.

2) the government has a moral obligation to make sure that every citizen has adequate shelter/food/safety/health care/education.
And a government shelter with a walk-in clinic/small hospital, free wi-fi and online, basic education in every, regional center - would cover that.
Throw in a few, necessary extras (like a reasonable-sized military - not the bloated whale we have).
And it would cost about 1/10'th of the current, federal budget.

Once, every citizen is guaranteed the basics of existence?
The rest is a bonus...and entirely up to the people alone to obtain.
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Don't know where you got this from but it describes Aristotle's view of democracy
 
martin said:
Right on. Humanity by its nature is community oriented and in that altruism is implicit.
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Horse mierda, Marty.

Is Altruism Part of Human Nature? Toward a Theoretical Foundation for the Helping Professions
Jerome C. Wakefield




Abstract

"Altruistic goals are at the foundation of social work's humanitarian mission, yet almost all current theories of human motivation suggest that people are essentially egoistic and that altruism is not part of human nature. In this article, I survey the conceptual and theoretical arguments and paradoxes by which scientists, philosophers, and much of the lay public defend an egoistic view of human nature, and I show how such arguments might be overcome to allow for the possibility of altruism."
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/603998
 
Earl said:
Horse mierda, Marty.

Is Altruism Part of Human Nature? Toward a Theoretical Foundation for the Helping Professions
Jerome C. Wakefield




Abstract

"Altruistic goals are at the foundation of social work's humanitarian mission, yet almost all current theories of human motivation suggest that people are essentially egoistic and that altruism is not part of human nature. In this article, I survey the conceptual and theoretical arguments and paradoxes by which scientists, philosophers, and much of the lay public defend an egoistic view of human nature, and I show how such arguments might be overcome to allow for the possibility of altruism."
https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/603998
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His error is the assumption that altruism and egoism are inherently antagonistic. The belief that by an altruistic impulse you have made someone safer or happier can satisfy an egoistic desire of making you feel better about yourself.

p.s. Would add that the view Earl and his source express is consistent, however, with tight ass Right wing attitudes.
 
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moon said:
In many people it is. For those that lack it, altruism can be taught. You've simply missed your classes.
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Wrong! You cannot make someone altruistic if they choose not to be. The only way to do it is force it on everyone. Did you ever see that Ricky Gervais move, The Invention of Lying? It indirectly makes this argument. In an altruistic world of trust, it only takes one person who isn't to fuck everything up.

Altruism as a universal principle won't work with humans.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Wrong! You cannot make someone altruistic if they choose not to be. The only way to do it is force it on everyone. Did you ever see that Ricky Gervais move, The Invention of Lying? It indirectly makes this argument. In an altruistic world of trust, it only takes one person who isn't to fuck everything up.

Altruism as a universal principle won't work with humans.
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Trump fucked up the Country, destroyed the GOP as we knew it! And destroyed the family name for his family
 
Earl said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Only a completely and willfully ignorant MAGA minion would post as you did here, Earl. I doubt you've ever read any of Chomsky's works. And what's with the biblical quote? WTF does that have to do with anything?

I defy you or any of the dummies who thanked you for your drivel to post just ONE quote from one of Chomsky's works that advocates anarchy. If you can't, then you're a perfect doormat for Trump & the current MAGA GOP congress.
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“Best known for his revolutionary work in linguistics and cognitive science, ***Noam Chomsky is an avowed anarchist.***It seems a like a contradiction. Anarchy is so often portrayed as chaos for chaos’s sake, a perverse impulse to implode a society that’s the product of thousands of years of social progress. What business does a celebrated thinker have advocating for something that seems so fundamentally thoughtless?”
https://bigthink.com/the-present/noam-chomsky-anarchist-beliefs/


Avowed"-that has been asserted, admitted, or stated publicly.


Now, take a hike, pendejo.
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Try thinking on your own instead of seeking others OPINION that supports your beliefs.

From the horses mouth. If you don't get it, find an adult with more than a high school G.E.D. to explain it to you:

 
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