China, Russia officials in united stand against U.S. and other nations

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BEIJING, China: In a rebuke to the United States and other western countries, the foreign ministers of China and Russia met on Tuesday to reaffirm their countries' close ties, while denouncing criticism of human rights abuses in their countries.

China's Wang Yi and Russia's Sergei Lavrov rejected outside criticism of their authoritarian political systems, claiming their countries are working on international issues, such as climate change and the coronavirus pandemic.

Meeting in the Chinese city of Nanning, Wang and Lavrov said the U.S. was interfering in other countries' affairs, while urging the U.S. to rejoin the Iran nuclear agreement.

During a news conference on Tuesday, Wang was critical of the ongoing coordinated sanctions brought by the European Union, Britain, Canada and the United States against Chinese officials over human rights abuses in China's far western Xinjiang region.

"Countries should stand together to oppose all forms of unilateral sanctions," Wang said, as reported by the Associated Press. "These measures will not be embraced by the international community."

Russia's Lavrov noted that western sanctions were bringing together China and Russia, while accusing the West of "imposing their own rules on everyone else, which they believe should underpin the world order."
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news...-in-united-stand-against-us-and-other-nations
 
The Strategic Implications of the China-EU Investment Deal

The EU-China Comprehensive Agreement on Investment is a win for China, and a blow to transatlantic relations.

https://thediplomat.com/2021/01/the-strategic-implications-of-the-china-eu-investment-deal/

The European Commission presented the agreement as “the most ambitious agreement that China has ever concluded with a third country.” The agreement binds China’s liberalization of investments and prevents backsliding on conditions of market access for EU companies. In addition, it provides for the elimination of quantitative restrictions, equity caps, or joint venture requirements in a number of sectors. In the automotive sector, China agreed to remove joint venture requirements and to grant market access for new energy vehicles. In the health sector, China promised to eliminate joint venture requirements for private hospitals (of particular interest to France). The CAI will also facilitate EU market access in other sectors including R&D (biological resources), telecommunication/cloud services, computer services, international maritime transport, air transport, and other services. On financial services, market opening provisions match those of the U.S.-China “Phase One” trade deal.
https://thediplomat.com/2021/01/the-strategic-implications-of-the-china-eu-investment-deal/
 
^ the EU is an unreliable partner on curbing China malign trade -they make their own deals

Biden needs to get with it and do the same like Trump was doing
 
anatta said:
^ the EU is an unreliable partner on curbing China malign trade -they make their own deals

Biden needs to get with it and do the same like Trump was doing
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It was due to Trump that the EU moved closer to China and that China extended its presence worldwide

So your solution to China moving closer to Russia is for the US to lift those sanctions? How does lifting sanctions that obviously pisses off China make us tougher on China?
 
archives said:
It was due to Trump that the EU moved closer to China and that China extended its presence worldwide

So your solution to China moving closer to Russia is for the US to lift those sanctions? How does lifting sanctions that obviously pisses off China make us tougher on China?
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TOTAL FUCKING LIES, AS USUAL.

IT WAS BECASUE OF TRUMP THAT YOUR BELOVED EUROSLEAZE FINALLY STARTING PAYING FOR THEIR OWN DEFENSE.

THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING "SIDE DEALS" WITH CHIN ASINCE CLINTON.

MAKEUP SOME MORE BULLSHIT TO COVER FOR PRES. BALL-LESS.
 
I want my allies to be UK, France, Japan, Germany, Australia, Canada, Italy, Spain. And India hopefully.

Working cooperatively with PRC and Russian Federation on areas of mutual interest is fine.
 
archives said:
It was due to Trump that the EU moved closer to China and that China extended its presence worldwide

So your solution to China moving closer to Russia is for the US to lift those sanctions? How does lifting sanctions that obviously pisses off China make us tougher on China?
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what kind of TDS horseshit is this?
The EU was doing what Trump was doing -negotiating trade/(China-EU Investment Deal)
damn son. all you ever post is TDS..China has been on the One Belt One Road plan far longer then Trump

as to sanctions - if you cant figure out sanction after sanction for the very questionable "Russian meddling"
or the Nataly sanctions are doing nothing to Putin except driving him closer to Xi,then you simply are not paying attention
 
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I want my allies to be UK, France, Japan, Germany, Australia, Canada, Italy, Spain. And India hopefully.

Working cooperatively with PRC and Russian Federation on areas of mutual interest is fine.
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Good point on India, and you can thank Trump for cultivating Modi (Trump went to India) into a strategic partner and restarting the Quad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrilateral_Security_Dialogue
During the 2017 ASEAN Summits all four former members rejoined in negotiations to revive the quadrilateral alliance.
 
anatta said:
BEIJING, China: In a rebuke to the United States and other western countries, the foreign ministers of China and Russia met on Tuesday to reaffirm their countries' close ties, while denouncing criticism of human rights abuses in their countries.

China's Wang Yi and Russia's Sergei Lavrov rejected outside criticism of their authoritarian political systems, claiming their countries are working on international issues, such as climate change and the coronavirus pandemic.

Meeting in the Chinese city of Nanning, Wang and Lavrov said the U.S. was interfering in other countries' affairs, while urging the U.S. to rejoin the Iran nuclear agreement.

During a news conference on Tuesday, Wang was critical of the ongoing coordinated sanctions brought by the European Union, Britain, Canada and the United States against Chinese officials over human rights abuses in China's far western Xinjiang region.

"Countries should stand together to oppose all forms of unilateral sanctions," Wang said, as reported by the Associated Press. "These measures will not be embraced by the international community."

Russia's Lavrov noted that western sanctions were bringing together China and Russia, while accusing the West of "imposing their own rules on everyone else, which they believe should underpin the world order."
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news...-in-united-stand-against-us-and-other-nations
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At having their lawlessly hacked in and fake lap dog tRump there, they were happy with that but being against the U.S. at this point must means America has become great again. This as a result of a legitimately elected POTUS after four years with a POS and fraud tRump contaminating the White House to be a prostitute for internal and external enemies of a barbaric nature.
 
anatta said:
BEIJING, China: In a rebuke to the United States and other western countries, the foreign ministers of China and Russia met on Tuesday to reaffirm their countries' close ties, while denouncing criticism of human rights abuses in their countries.

China's Wang Yi and Russia's Sergei Lavrov rejected outside criticism of their authoritarian political systems, claiming their countries are working on international issues, such as climate change and the coronavirus pandemic.

Meeting in the Chinese city of Nanning, Wang and Lavrov said the U.S. was interfering in other countries' affairs, while urging the U.S. to rejoin the Iran nuclear agreement.

During a news conference on Tuesday, Wang was critical of the ongoing coordinated sanctions brought by the European Union, Britain, Canada and the United States against Chinese officials over human rights abuses in China's far western Xinjiang region.

"Countries should stand together to oppose all forms of unilateral sanctions," Wang said, as reported by the Associated Press. "These measures will not be embraced by the international community."

Russia's Lavrov noted that western sanctions were bringing together China and Russia, while accusing the West of "imposing their own rules on everyone else, which they believe should underpin the world order."
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news...-in-united-stand-against-us-and-other-nations
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Are you a Russian troll?
 
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Good point on India, and you can thank Trump for cultivating Modi (Trump went to India) into a strategic partner and restarting the Quad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrilateral_Security_Dialogue
During the 2017 ASEAN Summits all four former members rejoined in negotiations to revive the quadrilateral alliance.
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Lasting alliances only occur between nations with shared values. India is a natural match for us because they are a long-standing democracy.

We do not share core values with PRC or Russian Federation at this time.

Russia and China are never going to be natural allies in the long run. They do not share core values and have a complicated history bewtween them
 
Cypress said:
Lasting alliances only occur between nations with shared values. India is a natural match for us because they are a long-standing democracy.

We do not share core values with PRC or Russian Federation at this time.

Russia and China are never going to be natural allies in the long run. They do not share core values and have a complicated history bewtween them
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There are allies and then there are "transactional alliances"

Do you agree China is a malign power, with worldwide hegemonic intent
(or at least the "9 dash line",absorbing Taiwan at some point, and destroying native cultures like Tibet)?

do you also agree Russia has no such designs
( my theory is the Crimea annexation was forced move [chess term] by Putin for guaranteed access
to Sevastopol) and should at least the goal being getting them back in the G8?

If you agree with any of this, then you can see in Russia's case no need to be allies, to practice realpolitik
for the benefit of both the USA and Russia?

Because such beneficial "transactions" also work to triangulate against China and serve our wider strategic interests.

Instead we are issuing sanctions in the crude attempt to punish them causing.. -> see my sig
 
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There are allies and then there are "transactional alliances"

Do you agree China is a malign power, with worldwide hegemonic intent
(or at least the "9 dash line",absorbing Taiwan at some point, and destroying native cultures like Tibet)?

do you also agree Russia has no such designs
( my theory is the Crimea annexation was forced move [chess term] by Putin for guaranteed access
to Sevastopol) and should at least the goal being getting them back in the G8?

If you agree with any of this, then you can see in Russia's case no need to be allies, to practice realpolitik
for the benefit of both the USA and Russia?

Because such beneficial "transactions" also work to triangulate against China and serve our wider strategic interests.

Instead we are issuing sanctions in the crude attempt to punish them causing.. -> see my sig
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Russia does not want to be USA's ally.

You keep praying there will be a Kremlin-American alliance. There will not be.

I would rather be allies with India. We actually share some core values with them: democracy and free markets. India is a rising 21st century major power and the world's most populous nation.

India is the most logical counter balance to China
 
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Russia does not want to be USA's ally.

You keep praying there will be a Kremlin-American alliance. There will not be.

I would rather be allies with India. We actually share some core values with them: democracy and free markets. India is a rising 21st century major power and the world's most populous nation.

India is the most logical counter balance to China
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I just said there doesnt need to be an alliance between the US and Russia -that's a fantasy.
But what we can do is help Russia integrate more into the west's economy by stopping the sanctions,
opening markets and banking.

we are in a bad place -Russia and China are OPENLY triangulating against us now- hardening military as well as economic ties. It's because we practice a "zero sum" - anything good for Russia has to be bad for the west.

This is another reason not to make Ukraine a strategic partner - Ukraine is 1/2 Russian speaking and tied to Russian economy -at odds with the Kviv factions - it's always going to be a source of contention
and we need not be a part of it - bucking Russia over it

Yes getting India away from China's grasp is needed.
 
anatta said:
I just said there doesnt need to be an alliance between the US and Russia -that's a fantasy.
But what we can do is help Russia integrate more into the west's economy by stopping the sanctions,
opening markets and banking.

we are in a bad place -Russia and China are OPENLY triangulating against us now- hardening military as well as economic ties. It's because we practice a "zero sum" - anything good for Russia has to be bad for the west.

This is another reason not to make Ukraine a strategic partner - Ukraine is 1/2 Russian speaking and tied to Russian economy -at odds with the Kviv factions - it's always going to be a source of contention
and we need not be a part of it - bucking Russia over it

Yes getting India away from China's grasp is needed.
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I believe garden variety Russians remember the "help" American capitalists gave them in the 1990s in a frenetic rush to turn Russia into a model of lassaize faire capitalism.

It nearly turned Russia into a failed state.

Russia is not eager to try USA's help in economic advice again. We sent our supposedly best conservative Chicago-school economists over in the 1990s and their advice nearly destroyed Russia.

In an ironic sense, the frenetic rush to lassaize faire capitalism is what gave rise to Putin. Most Russians wanted stability, and the failed cowboy capitalism foisted on their nation scared the crap out of them.

Russia is a proud nation with a steadfast independent streak. What you call integration into the west, most of them would see as playing second fiddle to Washington.

I actually do believe in realpolitik. We are going to get nowhere lecturing Russia to adopt American style capitalism and to be our buddies against China.

What we can do is work constructively with Russia on a range of international issues where we have common interests: nuclear proliferation, climate change, peaceful scientific collaboration, international crime and terrorism.
 
Cypress said:
I believe garden variety Russians remember the "help" American capitalists gave them in the 1990s in a frenetic rush to turn Russia into a model of lassaize faire capitalism.

It nearly turned Russia into a failed state.

Russia is not eager to try USA's help in economic advice again. We sent our supposedly best conservative Chicago-school economists over in the 1990s and their advice nearly destroyed Russia.

In an ironic sense, the frenetic rush to lassaize faire capitalism is what gave rise to Putin. Most Russians wanted stability, and the failed cowboy capitalism foisted on their nation scared the crap out of them.

Russia is a proud nation with a steadfast independent streak. What you call integration into the west, most of them would see as playing second fiddle to Washington.

I actually do believe in realpolitik. We are going to get nowhere lecturing Russia to adopt American style capitalism and to be our buddies against China.

What we can do is work constructively with Russia on a range of international issues where we have common interests: nuclear proliferation, climate change, peaceful scientific collaboration, international crime and terrorism.
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^ well thought out.
This Cold War 2 however where even Nordstream 2 - selling nat. gas to Germany is considered a "national security risk" by both Dems and Republicans has to stop.
Surely you agree nations have the right to trade without being sanctioned? ( and we a re doing extensive sanctions by ourself -not in combination with the EU- on the various players involved in constructions)

This is what I mean by Cold War 2.0, Biden insults Putin for no reason -Putin reacts and insults Biden by basically saying he cant debate quality against Putin
and then Russia and China meet together to condemn sanctions for Nataly poisoning, and our own overkill.

I do recognize it might be too late - sicne the Crimea annexation after the Kerry state dept undermined Obama's Russian reset- relations have gone badly.

Trump was criticized as "Putin puppet" but Trump did a lot against Russian -yet did not engage in hyperbolic rants like Biden/Blinken -although Pompeo was disastrous

we need to stop it. the goal should be some sort of detente like we had during the original cold war.
There are no one now except a few of us that want this madness to end. I hope you speak up when you can against needles tensions.

If we cant even stop the incendiary language, Russia and China will declare a formal military alliance
and a unified command structure
 
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