China fears Biden's Indo-Pacific NATO

[Cypress]

I saw a video of Biden greeting the three leaders. There were lots of laughing and genuine smiles. Biden is such a personable President. You can tell the men like and respect him.

Undoubtedly, Biden is more capable of cultivating relationships with leaders of democratic countries than Trump ever was. Trump was basically known to be extremely stupid, vulgar, and personally offensive and insulting to democratic allies

 

[dukkha]

First ever Quad summit was organized by Biden, and the high level contacts have only been increasing since then.

China originally looked at the Quad as doomed to fail; it was only being cultivated by lower level contacts (thanks Trump)

Now China is becoming alarmed at the Quad, and even calling it an Indo-Pacific NATO.


Why did Trump ass kissers say Biden was a radical Maoist who was going to be totally wimpy on China? Another example of MAGA lying their flabby asses off?

Trump had a virtual meeting as did Biden when both came to power
Parachuting in for a summit was all photo ops -except Biden saying we would go to war with China over Taiwan - 3rd time he's blundered on the same question

I have no idea what you mean by "high level contacts since then " - but yes following up on the Summit is key however
Lets see how Biden does. He wasted a year when backgrounds could have been advancing an agenda.

I wish him well for all our sakes,but i fear he'll just forget about it as usual

 

[Damocles]

always and forever rushing in and leaping out of your chair to defend your hero Donald Trumpf, eh?

Incorrect on all counts.
I am aware of the timeline of the Quad.

I am the one who posted the info in the OP.

The Quad was kept at low level contacts during the Dunp Regime. Dump never invested himself personally or organized a face to face summit with Quad leaders.

Low level contacts are a recipe for failure.

Biden is personally invested and facilitating the first high level contacts and summits of the Quad.

Jumping in to try to give credit to Brandon for following the plan set forth by Trump in 2017. That they met now doesn't change the reality. You pretend that information provided doesn't happen because you simply do not want it to be true. For someone who "didn't understand" something he sure set something you want to claim as "yours" into motion.

Even your original story said it began 4 years ago, when Brandon was babbling in his basement before he "decided" to run for president.

Basically, I am simply giving information here. You said something that was factually incorrect and provably so, then when you were given information you simply double down because you don't want it to be true.

 

[Cypress]

Jumping in to try to give credit to Brandon for following the plan set forth by Trump in 2017. That they met now doesn't change the reality. You pretend that information provided doesn't happen because you simply do not want it to be true. For someone who "didn't understand" something he sure set something you want to claim as "yours" into motion.

Even your original story said it began 4 years ago, when Brandon was babbling in his basement before he "decided" to run for president.

Basically, I am simply giving information here. You said something that was factually incorrect and provably so, then when you were given information you simply double down because you don't want it to be true.

I know what my story says because I posted it.

Quad was restarted in 2017.

1) But in person summits did not happen until Biden became president,
2) the extent of high level engagement is unprecedented now,
3) and China went from thinking Quad was doomed to being alarmed by Quad after Biden became president.

 

[Damocles]

I know what my story says because I posted it.

Quad was restarted in 2017.

1) But in person summits did not happen until Biden became president,
2) the extent of high level engagement is unprecedented now,
3) and China went from thinking Quad was doomed to being alarmed by Quad after Biden became president.

1) True. But this still demonstrates that Trump clearly understood what you pretended he did not while noting that this began before Brandon had a notion that he may run.
2) LOL. That folks finally got together after doing legwork started in 2017 doesn't change this reality you want to ignore.
3) Whether China thought it was doomed or not, Trump began the path to this, Brandon's handlers just picked up the map provided.

You really posted an actual story that showed that Trump understood and revived this thing that was dying on the vine under Obama, then in the same breath tried to say that he "didn't understand it"... That's just stupid at a level you attribute only to Trump.

 

[signalmankenneth]

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China is alarmed by the Quad. But its threats are driving the group closer together

The Quadrilateral Security Dialogue, colloquially the Quad, is a strategic security dialogue between Australia, India, Japan, and the United States.

When the United States, Japan, Australia and India first resuscitated their informal dialogue from a decade-long hiatus in late 2017, China was confident it would soon fail.

More than four years on, the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue -- better known as "the Quad" -- is far from dissipating. Instead, it has only grown in momentum, profile and clout.

Convened around the mantra of promoting a "free and open Indo-Pacific," the four countries have held two naval exercises since 2020. Their leaders have assembled three times since last year -- including an in-person summit at the White House.

On Tuesday, the four leaders will meet face to face again in Tokyo. Their summit will be a highlight of Joe Biden's first trip to Asia as the US President, as he seeks to strengthen alliances and partnerships to counter China's growing influence in the region.

The renewed activity has seen China's initial scorn turn into alarm, with Beijing viewing the grouping as part of Washington's attempt to encircle the country with strategic and military allies. Wang, the foreign minister, has decried the grouping as an "Indo-Pacific NATO," accusing it of "trumpeting the Cold War mentality" and "stoking geopolitical rivalry."

That concern has only grown since the Ukraine crisis. Beijing's backing of Moscow has further damaged its global image, leaving it more isolated on the world stage. And that is not helped by China's insistence on a zero-Covid policy, in which stringent border restrictions are cutting the country off from a world that has largely moved on from the pandemic.

While Biden travels the world to reinforce ties, his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping hasn't left China in 25 months. Biden's latest flurry of diplomacy, with stops in South Korea and Japan, has particularly irked Beijing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...china-threat-analysis-intl-hnk-mic/index.html

There was an an Asian version of NATO, in the 1950's, 1960's and to 1977, it was SEATO?!! The QUAD is a good idea with China's saber rattling and with it's claim of the South China Seas?!!

Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO), 1954

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1953-1960/seato

 

[Sailor]

1) True. But this still demonstrates that Trump clearly understood what you pretended he did not while noting that this began before Brandon had a notion that he may run.
2) LOL. That folks finally got together after doing legwork started in 2017 doesn't change this reality you want to ignore.
3) Whether China thought it was doomed or not, Trump began the path to this, Brandon's handlers just picked up the map provided.

You really posted an actual story that showed that Trump understood and revived this thing that was dying on the vine under Obama, then in the same breath tried to say that he "didn't understand it"... That's just stupid at a level you attribute only to Trump.

That is how he has been running his entire Presidency. He has done nothing stellar or new.

 

[Cypress]

JFC. Trump went to India and courted Modi, as well as increasibng Freedom of Navigation Operations (FONOPS) in the South China Sea

Meeting Modi is not the engaging and meeting with the Quad. You're changing the subject.


October 2020:

Trump Has Undermined His Own Quad Goals

A shared threat from China should have led Australia, India, and Japan to rally behind the U.S. Why hasn’t that happened?

https://thediplomat.com/2020/10/trump-has-undermined-his-own-quad-goals/

May 2022:

High level Quad engagement ramps up to unprecedented levels, China is alarmed

See post #1

 

[Cypress]

Trump had a virtual meeting as did Biden when both came to power
Parachuting in for a summit was all photo ops -except Biden saying we would go to war with China over Taiwan - 3rd time he's blundered on the same question

I have no idea what you mean by "high level contacts since then " - but yes following up on the Summit is key however
Lets see how Biden does. He wasted a year when backgrounds could have been advancing an agenda.

I wish him well for all our sakes,but i fear he'll just forget about it as usual

You have been writing for at least three years that our best bet at offsetting Chinese power is by begging the notorious war criminal and duplicitous liar Vlad Putin to please be our friend.

I repeatedly told you that was a terrible idea, and that our best strategy to counter China was strategic partnership with democratic nations of the Indo-Pacific: India, Japan, Australia, aka nations that share our democratic values.

 

[dukkha]

You have been writing for at least three years that our best bet at offsetting Chinese power is by begging the notorious war criminal and duplicitous liar Vlad Putin to please be our friend.

I repeatedly told you that was a terrible idea, and that our best strategy to counter China was strategic partnership with democratic nations of the Indo-Pacific: India, Japan, Australia, aka nations that share our democratic values.

they are not mutually exclusive concepts.
Whatever becomes of the Quad - and knowing Biden it could be nothing further-
faces a Russia forced into the Sino obit by previous sanctions and NATO expansion and meddling in Ukraine

My way would have kept Russia from warring -your's and Biden's way (and Trump too because he could not negotiate or even talk to Putin thanks to Hillary) have led to war and a united Russian-Sino war machine

 

[dukkha]

Meeting Modi is not the engaging and meeting with the Quad. You're changing the subject.
October 2020:
May 2022:

Modi is key to the "Indo" part of the "Indo-Pacific"partnership.
The rest of that crap from the Diplomat is unsupported bashing of Trump transactional foreign policy


Trump signed a security agreement with Vietnam as well - that's a key player of the littoral states
Plan of Action for Defense Cooperation
https://2017-2021.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-vietnam-2/index.html
In 2018, Vietnam participated for the first time in the Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) military exercise, after first sending observers in 2012 and 2016. RIMPAC is the world’s largest international maritime exercise, biennially hosted by the U.S. and its allies and partners in and around the Hawaiian Islands and Southern California.
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Trump once implied the possibility of a U.S. withdrawal from NATO in a bid to convince other NATO members to increase their defense spending. But the U.S. has actually increased its involvement in NATO. Recently, it decided to expand its military presence in Poland.

as to Japan -Trump got them to increase defense spending, just as he did with NATO
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/C...ously-when-he-bashes-Japan-US-security-treaty
Trump knows that the Japan-U.S. security treaty is necessary. At a news conference in Osaka in late June, he said he has no intention of abolishing the treaty. But it should be understood that he does not consider the treaty acceptable as is.
Under Trump's instructions, the U.S. administration is detailing the expenses shouldered by more than 60 allies in connection with U.S. military bases and related costs, according to diplomatic sources. Washington will shortly launch negotiations with these partners to pressure them to increase their financial contributions for supporting the U.S. military.

 

[Rune]

im not calling for "authoritarianism" (and it cant exist in the USA)
I am pointing out the benefits of a continued policy that survives past each administration

We have that.
You hated it when it worked against Trump.

You are quite delusional if you don't realize we are already on the slippery slope to tyrany.

It can indeed happen here.

 

[Cypress]

Modi is key to the "Indo" part of the "Indo-Pacific"partnership.
The rest of that crap from the Diplomat is unsupported bashing of Trump transactional foreign policy

Trump signed a security agreement with Vietnam as well - that's a key player of the littoral states
Plan of Action for Defense Cooperation
https://2017-2021.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-vietnam-2/index.html
In 2018, Vietnam participated for the first time in the Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) military exercise, after first sending observers in 2012 and 2016. RIMPAC is the world’s largest international maritime exercise, biennially hosted by the U.S. and its allies and partners in and around the Hawaiian Islands and Southern California.
~~

as to Japan -Trump got them to increase defense spending, just as he did with NATO
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/C...ously-when-he-bashes-Japan-US-security-treaty
Trump knows that the Japan-U.S. security treaty is necessary. At a news conference in Osaka in late June, he said he has no intention of abolishing the treaty. But it should be understood that he does not consider the treaty acceptable as is.
Under Trump's instructions, the U.S. administration is detailing the expenses shouldered by more than 60 allies in connection with U.S. military bases and related costs, according to diplomatic sources. Washington will shortly launch negotiations with these partners to pressure them to increase their financial contributions for supporting the U.S. military.

You attempt to claim that meeting with Modi is exactly like cultivating a summit with the Quad.

I would be laughed out of the room, and rightly so, for claiming that meeting with Boris Johnson is exactly like holding a NATO summit.

Alliances have to be cultivated by the personal investment of time and energy of an American president.

One of Trump's first acts in office was to telephone the prime minister of Australia to insult and harangue him.

Trump was well known to be extremely stupid, vulgar, and offensive, and he was widely known to be extremely lazy. Which probably explains why he never facilitated a Quad summit or invested his personal energy in cultivating the Quad.

Biden's cultivation of the Quad is unprecedented, and flies in the face of your claims that Biden was a radical Maoist who would suck up to china

 

[dukkha]

You attempt to claim that meeting with Modi is exactly like cultivating a summit with the Quad.

I would be laughed out of the room, and rightly so, for claiming that meeting with Boris Johnson is exactly like holding a NATO summit.

Alliances have to be cultivated by the personal investment of time and energy of an American president.

One of Trump's first acts in office was to telephone the prime minister of Australia to insult and harangue him.

Trump was well known to be extremely stupid, vulgar, and offensive, and he was widely known to be extremely lazy. Which probably explains why he never facilitated a Quad summit or invested his personal energy in cultivating the Quad.

Biden's cultivation of the Quad is unprecedented, and flies in the face of your claims that Biden was a radical Maoist who would suck up to china

parachuting into a summit isnt "cultivating" Trump revived the Quad
Trump worked actively to meet with Japan, Vietnam, and India

Biden isnt srious about China - he doesn't even name them as number 1 threat -he says it's Russia

No way in hell can Russia harm us like China can, espionage, Confucian universities, malign trade
and hegemony over the S China sea
Let me see some activities on those and the trade front before I believe Biden is anymore then window dressings on this

 

[Cypress]

parachuting into a summit isnt "cultivating" Trump revived the Quad
Trump worked actively to meet with Japan, Vietnam, and India

Biden isnt srious about China - he doesn't even name them as number 1 threat -he says it's Russia

No way in hell can Russia harm us like China can, espionage, Confucian universities, malign trade
and hegemony over the S China sea
Let me see some activities on those and the trade front before I believe Biden is anymore then window dressings on this

If your measure of success is number of meetings, Biden has had more Quad summits and meetings with Quad leaders in one year than Trump had in four.

You and I both know Trump was a moron who was too lazy to cultivate alliances, and too stupid to understand foreign policy.

It is well documented that Trump was asking if Finland was part of Russia, and that world leaders were shocked at the level of Trump's ignorance on global issues.

 

[Walt]

Modi is key to the "Indo" part of the "Indo-Pacific"partnership.

"Indo" in this case refers to the Indian Ocean. India is a major regional power in the Indian Ocean, but so is the USA, Australia, France, Thailand, etc.

 

[dukkha]

If your measure of success is number of meetings, Biden has had more Quad summits and meetings with Quad leaders in one year than Trump had in four.

You and I both know Trump was a moron who was too lazy to cultivate alliances, and too stupid to understand foreign policy.
It is well documented that Trump was asking if Finland was part of Russia, and that world leaders were shocked at the level of Trump's ignorance on global issues.

I just showed you Trump met leaders in Japan and India and Vietnam and made improvements
or committments to existing agreements. He was hands on.

Trump put specific emphasis on China as well
- S China Sea exercises but also Confucian universities, freezing new Chinese students and of course bilateral trade talks. Oh and the trip to India and regional security agreements in the ME partners
and the Abraham Accords.

^ all that is basically 3 years because COVID froze a lot the 4th year
That is going after America First agenda, not "Laziness" as you charge

 

[dukkha]

"Indo" in this case refers to the Indian Ocean. India is a major regional power in the Indian Ocean, but so is the USA, Australia, France, Thailand, etc.

OK

 

[Cypress]

I just showed you Trump met leaders in Japan and India and Vietnam and made improvements
or committments to existing agreements. He was hands on.

Trump put specific emphasis on China as well
- S China Sea exercises but also Confucian universities, freezing new Chinese students and of course bilateral trade talks. Oh and the trip to India and regional security agreements in the ME partners
and the Abraham Accords.

^ all that is basically 3 years because COVID froze a lot the 4th year
That is going after America First agenda, not "Laziness" as you charge

It's not possible for a moron who thought Finland is part of Russia to be an effective and informed diplomat.

That is why we need Biden, not Trump facilitating efforts to strengthen Quad relationships.


What ever happened to your claim Biden was a tool of Communist China?

 

[moon]

'Stephen Kinzer reminds us that it's liberals, not conservatives, who were historically the most ardent militarists and imperialists – as they are once again, uniformly voting to send $40bn in arms to Ukraine.
Republican Senator Robert Taft is quoted in 1949 opposing the creation of Nato: 'The building up of a great army surrounding Russia.. violates the whole spirit of the United Nations charter.' It 'necessarily divides the world into two armed camps' and would risk 'a third world war.'



https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/05...HCrwVl1nMYO2DB8u-WBc2zE2QW-kfxeC0lLczV5xJ-XsI

NATO is a self-fulfilling prophecy.