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China Asks the US Details on Biolabs in Ukraine
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Time until Dookie claims Nazis have taken over the US: 10...9...8...
Not thanks to Dookie or Putin. They did it to themselves. Fuck them. Let them die.
So far we've had three waves of COVID, a novel virus. Anyone who isn't vaccinated now or educated themselves is a fucking moron who is rolling the dice on winning a Darwin Award. The older they are, like Darth Omar probably is, the more likely they'll end up DEAD.
The CDC and the NIH actually said "natural immunity" only occurs in about 2/3 of all COVID patients, begins to wane within 90 days, and is only effective against that particular strain.
So you left some qualifiers out there, Dutch.
what i am telling you is natural immunity is like a vaxx immunity - you get vaxxed you can still get breakthru infectons. If you have acquired immunity from exposure - you have t cells as well as antibodies
- but that is not a iron clad guarantee you still wont get symptomatic infections again
A lot depends on the quality of your immune system,and comorbidities you might have as well
It's not linear. it's medical. Natural immunity is more durable then vaxxing
because it involves the entire immune system,not just a spike in antibodies by vaxxing
get this shit through you pointed little head.
you are the last person on the planet that doesnt understand basic immunology
You're free to walk back your claim that natural immunity doesn't exist even though the CDC link confirmed it.
Do you understand that if you catch chicken pox that you become "naturally immune" if you survive?
Do you understand that, after 11,000 years of separation from the cesspool in Europe that Native Americans didn't have immunity to multiple diseases? Why were the Euros immune and the Native not in 1492? What natural process could cause this fact? If Native Americans weren't immune then why are there Native Americans alive today who are immune?
How many times does it need to be said before it sinks in: NATURAL IMMUNITY ISN'T A THING.
It only occurs in MAYBE 2/3 of people, begins to wane within 90 days, and is only effective against that particular strain.
Long-haul COVID, however, occurs in at least half of all COVID patients, never wanes, and stays with you for life...and you are still vulnerable to other strains.
Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19
Time since infection ranged from six days after symptom onset to eight months later. More than 40 participants had been recovered for more than six months before the study began. About 50 people provided blood samples at more than one time after infection.
The research was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and National Cancer Institute (NCI). Results were published on January 6, 2021, in Science.
The researchers found durable immune responses in the majority of people studied. Antibodies against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which the virus uses to get inside cells, were found in 98% of participants one month after symptom onset. As seen in previous studies, the number of antibodies ranged widely between individuals. But, promisingly, their levels remained fairly stable over time, declining only modestly at 6 to 8 months after infection.
Virus-specific B cells increased over time. People had more memory B cells six months after symptom onset than at one month afterwards. Although the number of these cells appeared to reach a plateau after a few months, levels didn’t decline over the period studied.
Levels of T cells for the virus also remained high after infection. Six months after symptom onset, 92% of participants had CD4+ T cells that recognized the virus. These cells help coordinate the immune response. About half the participants had CD8+ T cells, which kill cells that are infected by the virus.
As with antibodies, the numbers of different immune cell types varied substantially between individuals.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19
Time since infection ranged from six days after symptom onset to eight months later. More than 40 participants had been recovered for more than six months before the study began. About 50 people provided blood samples at more than one time after infection.
The research was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and National Cancer Institute (NCI). Results were published on January 6, 2021, in Science.
The researchers found durable immune responses in the majority of people studied. Antibodies against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which the virus uses to get inside cells, were found in 98% of participants one month after symptom onset. As seen in previous studies, the number of antibodies ranged widely between individuals. But, promisingly, their levels remained fairly stable over time, declining only modestly at 6 to 8 months after infection.
Virus-specific B cells increased over time. People had more memory B cells six months after symptom onset than at one month afterwards. Although the number of these cells appeared to reach a plateau after a few months, levels didn’t decline over the period studied.
Levels of T cells for the virus also remained high after infection. Six months after symptom onset, 92% of participants had CD4+ T cells that recognized the virus. These cells help coordinate the immune response. About half the participants had CD8+ T cells, which kill cells that are infected by the virus.
As with antibodies, the numbers of different immune cell types varied substantially between individuals.
Again, it only occurs in MAYBE 2/3 of those infected, wanes within 90 days, and is only effective against that specific strain.
Long haul COVID, however, occurs in at least half of all COVID patients, never wanes, doesn't protect you against future strains, and stays with you for life.
The CDC said all of that, but for some reason, that didn't make it into your post.
So you're basically lying to people about natural immunity.
AGAIN, only against that particular strain, only in about 2/3 of those infected, and only within 90 days.
Getting a disease to obtain immunity is pretty damn stupid when you can get Vaxxed and almost certainly avoid the disease altogether.
where did I say to get the disease?
and this is not true.
It's a combination of at lest 1 vaxx +acquired immunity that is the most durable and robust
https://theconversation.com/how-lon...-vaccination-two-immunologists-explain-177309
Disagreed on Long COVID never waning too per the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/index.html
Agreed...no doubt he learned this strategy when he kept contracting VD hoping to become "immune". LOL
Where are you obtaining these numbers?
FWIW, our medical leaders think the unvaxxed morons who caught Omicron are protected against death by Delta or other forms. Obviously there are a lot of factors like age, general health of the victim , strain in which they are infected, etc.
You're making it sound like "natural immunity" is what every COVID patient gets, never wanes, and is effective against other strains.
The CDC never said any of that.
As does Natural Immunity...it's not present in every COVID patient, and varies in the length of time it's present.
Delta isn't around anymore, and when did they say that if you caught Omicron, you're protected vs. Delta?
In other words, TONS AND TONS OF QUALIFIERS.
So you have to qualify "natural immunity".
Putin is making bio shit up to justify his attack on a peaceful country.
If that were really true and the point of the attack, he would have led with that. He is pulling this out of his ass because the world is disgusted with what he is doing to innocent people. His attack has been a lot longer and more repulsive than he planned. His story about labs is a lie. But other nations are worried and want to know. Lies are powerful. Putin and Trump learned that much.
If that were really true and the point of the attack, he would have led with that. He is pulling this out of his ass because the world is disgusted with what he is doing to innocent people. His attack has been a lot longer and more repulsive than he planned. His story about labs is a lie. But other nations are worried and want to know. Lies are powerful. Putin and Trump learned that much.
teach it Dutch! you have more patience then i do with it
the 90 day thing on 'natural (acquired) immunity is actually on (or was on) the CDC site
incredible..i dont know why our health bureaucracy is so bad -same with "vaxxing prevents transmission"
delta is still around.
you are in the bad habit of making absolutists claims which is not helpful in any medical discussion
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/cor...-variant-gone-heres-what-experts-say/2731588/
"You can see 99.3% is the estimate of all of the COVID cases are the omicron variant and just 0.7% are delta and nothing else is showing up at this point," she said.
But the effects of the delta variant are still being felt in the U.S. even as omicron surges.
Last week, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said most reported COVID deaths in the U.S. were still from the delta variant.