China Asks the US Details on Biolabs in Ukraine

Because we read USA Today, America's newspaper.

Within hours of the Russian invasion, USA Today published a rebuttal to all those crazies who were yammering on about secret Ukrainian bio labs. Here was the headline: "Fact check: False claim of US biolabs in Ukraine tied to Russian disinformation campaign."

Does Ukraine have biological weapons? Ugh, Ukraine has biological research facilities. What? You mean secret bio labs like the secret bio labs that Ukraine definitely doesn't have? Ukraine has those? Yes, it does. And not only does Ukraine have secret bio labs, Toria Nuland said, whatever they're doing in those labs is so dangerous and so scary that she is, "quite concerned" that the so-called research material inside those bio labs might fall into the hands of Russian forces.

Toria Nuland just confirmed that the Russian disinformation they've been telling us for days is a lie and a conspiracy theory and crazy and immoral to believe is, in fact, totally and completely true.
 
dukkha said:
LMAO. so We didnt deny we had biolabs and Nuland let the cat out of the bag..ROFL..
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LMAO!

Your propaganda and lies don't work on me, Anatta...I can see right through them and I see right through you too.

Ukraine does not have WMDs or WMD capabilities, Russia does.


Those inconvenient truths are a bitch
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A pharmaceutical company does not a WMD facility make.

You're lying about Ukraine to justify the invasion you have supported since Day 1.
 
dukkha said:
Because we read USA Today, America's newspaper.

Within hours of the Russian invasion, USA Today published a rebuttal to all those crazies who were yammering on about secret Ukrainian bio labs. Here was the headline: "Fact check: False claim of US biolabs in Ukraine tied to Russian disinformation campaign."

Does Ukraine have biological weapons? Ugh, Ukraine has biological research facilities. What? You mean secret bio labs like the secret bio labs that Ukraine definitely doesn't have? Ukraine has those? Yes, it does. And not only does Ukraine have secret bio labs, Toria Nuland said, whatever they're doing in those labs is so dangerous and so scary that she is, "quite concerned" that the so-called research material inside those bio labs might fall into the hands of Russian forces.

Toria Nuland just confirmed that the Russian disinformation they've been telling us for days is a lie and a conspiracy theory and crazy and immoral to believe is, in fact, totally and completely true.
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Of course it's a false claim and a Russian disinformation campaign because you brought it to JPP.

This is no different than you lying about unsolicited mail in ballots.
 
dukkha said:
do you have a nose ring that people can easily lead you around with?
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Maybe you can explain why every single post of yours is an Active Measure?

Is it just a coincidence that you relay all of the Kremlin's talking points?

I don't believe in coincidences.
 
LV426 said:
Of course it's a false claim and a Russian disinformation campaign because you brought it to JPP.

This is no different than you lying about unsolicited mail in ballots.
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pathetic..unable to respond with anything but an adhom
 
LV426 said:
LMAO!

Your propaganda and lies don't work on me, Anatta...I can see right through them and I see right through you too.

Ukraine does not have WMDs or WMD capabilities, Russia does.




A pharmaceutical company does not a WMD facility make.

You're lying about Ukraine to justify the invasion you have supported since Day 1.
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who said WMD? theses aren't pharmaceutical companies they are biolabs
Nuland claimed there could be Russian causing whatever she was yammering on.
They are our security concern not Russians

Nuland was lying. She lied about Libya, she lied about her role in the Ukraine coup of 2014
and she set us on a path to war
 
The Biolabs function insgetting rid of the biological weapons that Russia developed in Ukraine. That is a good thing.
 
dukkha said:
who said WMD? theses aren't pharmaceutical companies they are biolabs
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They are whatever Putin says they are, are they? You'll just repeat it because that's your job.


Nuland claimed there could be Russian causing whatever she was yammering on.
They are our security concern not Russians
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Chances are, if Russia is accusing Ukraine of something, Russia is already guilty of it.


Nuland was lying. She lied about Libya, she lied about her role in the Ukraine coup of 2014
and she set us on a path to war
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As far as I'm concerned, the only liar here is you.

Nuland didn't lie to me about natural immunity, you did.

Nuland didn't lie to me about COVID being "no worse than the flu", you did.

Nuland didn't lie to me about no Russian collusion, you did.

Nuland didn't lie to me about unsolicited mail-in ballots, you did.

Nuland didn't lie to me about extorting Ukraine to dig up lies on Joe Biden, you fuckin' did.

Sensing a pattern? Cuz I am.
 
Whoever decided to leave deadly biological materials sitting in Ukraine as Russian troops massed on the border has not yet been identified. We hope that person will be identified. We'll keep asking.

As for the first question, what exactly is going on in these labs? We've gotten several answers, all of them insulting. Initially, the administration claimed the labs were designed to help the Ukrainians fight tuberculosis, as well as various livestock diseases.
That's what officials told members of Congress. It didn't seem plausible and, in fact, it's not plausible.
And then after our show last night, the Pentagon released what it non-ironically called a fact sheet designed to make the biolab story seem small and ridiculous. Virtually every news organization in America, with almost no exceptions, repeated the administration's claim verbatim with no verification of any kind.

Foreign Policy Magazine ran this version of it, which was identical to many other versions you saw if you follow the news today. "FACT CHECK: DoD has worked with Ukraine to ELIMATE (in all caps) bioweapons left behind by the Soviet Union since 2005," said a senior U.S. defense intelligence official, "but these are NOT (again, in all caps) weapons labs as Russians falsely claim," the official said.

The Washington Post assured us of the same thing, so did countless other so-called news organizations. OK, so no big deal. This is not actually a story. The Pentagon's been doing it since 2005, working with Ukrainians to "eliminate biological weapons left behind by the Soviets." That makes sense, but wait. 2005 was 17 years ago. How long does it take to eliminate Soviet bioweapons? Seventeen years seems like a long time.



Meanwhile, over at CNN, perhaps where the first explanation didn't make sense once you thought about it, offered a new alibi. According to CNN's site, the labs in Ukraine exist to "secure old Soviet weapons." Ok, secure, not eliminate, which raises the question: what does it mean to secure a bioweapon? And again, why has it taken 17 years to do it?
And by the way, if these are really just old Soviet weapons, why is Toria Nuland so worried they will wind up in the hands of old Soviets who presumably already have these very same weapons—probably don't need more. It's absurd when you think about it. So, don't think about it and that was the point of today's coverage of the Biden administration's secret Ukrainian biolabs. Stop thinking about it. Start accepting what they tell you at face value. Otherwise, you are an agent of Russia.
 
So, instead, we did some digging of ourselves to see what we could find and here's we came up with. The day after Russia invaded Ukraine, Robert Pope, the man who heads the Cooperative Threat Reduction Program at DOD, sat for an interview with the website Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists.
Pope was the man in charge of securing or eliminating Soviet-era bioweapons, so he knows a lot about the subject, maybe more than anyone else, but it turns out that not all of these Soviet weapons are being destroyed or even secured, and Pope acknowledged that in the interview, which apparently CNN didn't see.
According to his interview, Pope said the labs "may hold pathogen strains left over from the Soviet bioweapons program preserved in freezers for research purposes." Pope said that "scientists, being scientists, it wouldn't surprise me if some of these strange collections and some of these laboratories still have pathogen strains that go all the way back to the origins of that program."

In other words, because as Pope put it, "scientists are scientists," they don't want to destroy all the bio weapons. Instead, they're using them to conduct new bioweapons research. That's what he said and not just on strains left over from the Soviet Union.

We do know that in 2010, the U.S. government helped fund construction of a brand-new level-3 biolab in Odessa, Ukraine. The purpose of that lab was not to eliminate or secure aging Soviet weapons. No. That lab was designed for research a new and "especially dangerous pathogens"
 
No one denies that Russia has a chem bio program. That's bad. No one denies that Russia lies, of course, and has for a long time, that Russian propaganda is absolutely real, of course. That's not for debate. That's all true.

The question is: Why is the United States funding these biolabs that are not doing anything close to what the Pentagon claims they are doing? Why is the White House press secretary from the podium contradicting what the director of the Pentagon's bioweapons control program has already admitted is true?https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-questions-biolabs-ukraine-everyone-asking
 
dukkha said:
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What kind of fucking morons believe that the US would operate a bioweapons lab in a country that Russia not only attacked in 2014, but was likely to attack again?

More likely these are standard biological research labs. Anything can be weaponized including medical research on curing diseases.

Let's face facts: War is bad for business. The US doesn't want war. Putin is a murderous dictator. Putin lies constantly just like the denial that Russia attacked Ukraine or that the Ukrainians were Nazis. Dukkha is a Russian bot who hates America and supports global Russian authoritarianism.

https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-demands-us-explain-biological-programme-ukraine-2022-03-09/
"The Russian accusations are absurd, they are laughable and you know, in the words of my Irish Catholic grandfather, a bunch of malarkey. There's nothing to it. It's classic Russian propaganda," Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said on Wednesday.

In a statement, also released on Wednesday, State Department spokesman Ned Price said Russia "is inventing false pretexts in an attempt to justify its own horrific actions in Ukraine."

White House press secretary Jen Psaki, citing what she called Russia's "false claims," wrote on Twitter: "It’s Russia that has a long and well-documented track record of using chemical weapons, including in attempted assassinations and poisoning of Putin’s political enemies like Alexey Navalny."...

...The Pentagon's Biological Threat Reduction Program has been working with the Ukrainian government to ensure the security of pathogens and toxins stored in the laboratories. In the midst of similar biowarfare accusations in 2020, the U.S. embassy in Kyiv issued a statement saying its involvement was to ensure "dangerous pathogens do not fall into the wrong hands."

A former U.S. official, who is familiar with the cooperation between Kyiv and Washington, said the United States had helped to convert several Ukrainian laboratories that had been involved in the former Soviet Union's biological weapons program into public health facilities.
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dukkha said:
The [Chinese] FM disclosed that the U.S. itself disclosed that there are 26 U.S. laboratories placed in Ukraine.
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Do you think those were the same US bio labs used to develop Covid to blame on China? Or do you only believe some Chinese propaganda?

It says a lot about where the Republicans are that now they are defending anti-American propaganda.
 
Walt said:
Do you think those were the same US bio labs used to develop Covid to blame on China? Or do you only believe some Chinese propaganda?
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Why is the United States funding these biolabs that are not doing anything close to what the Pentagon claims they are doing? Why is the White House press secretary from the podium contradicting what the director of the Pentagon's bioweapons control program has already admitted is true?

in 2010, the U.S. government helped fund construction of a brand-new level-3 biolab in Odessa, Ukraine. The purpose of that lab was not to eliminate or secure aging Soviet weapons. No. That lab was designed for research a new and "especially dangerous pathogens"
 
kaffer-kicker;
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More likely these are standard biological research labs.
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Idiot, posing, racist prick.




Haw, haw.......................................haw.
 
dukkha said:
in 2010, the U.S. government helped fund construction of a brand-new level-3 biolab in Odessa, Ukraine. The purpose of that lab was not to eliminate or secure aging Soviet weapons. No. That lab was designed for research a new and "especially dangerous pathogens"
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But what if we do not believe the Russians' claims?
 
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