Charlie Kirk Helped Republicans Break Through to Young People

I do think we'll get there.

I had been disregarding watching some of the "celebrations" until yesterday. I saw a couple online, and they literally broke my heart. From people I might sit next to at work or even have a beer with - a complete lack of humanity.

And I know I have a darkness in me also, that I have to monitor & always be vigilant about. It's like the end of Rocky IV - "if I can change, and you can change, we all can change." Or he said something like that, but it resonates. We all have to change.
We ALL have a darkness in us,...every last one of us. The big question is HOW MUCH darkness is in us and how well do we keep it under wraps. I'm a big hate the sin not the sinner kind of guy believe it or not. Its ok to hate some of the things people do,....but not ok to hate people.
 
I do think we'll get there.

I had been disregarding watching some of the "celebrations" until yesterday. I saw a couple online, and they literally broke my heart. From people I might sit next to at work or even have a beer with - a complete lack of humanity.

And I know I have a darkness in me also, that I have to monitor & always be vigilant about (I would never celebrate a death, but I'm guilty of dehumanizing people to an extent). It's like the end of Rocky IV - "if I can change, and you can change, we all can change." Or he said something like that, but it resonates. We all have to change.
I’ve had a similar experience. Someone close to me posted about Kirk after he was murdered in a way that really shook me. It was the first time something political ever felt like it crossed that line.
 
I don't think that is mocking anybody. In SF cashless bond is a thing and all he says is someone should bail him out an ask questions.

He says he's not justifying it and that "I think it is awful. It's not right."....

And instead of actually hearing what he talked about you chose to believe he somehow "mocked" Paul Pelosi? I think you are lying to yourself at this point. You do not have any ability to understand the language and posted something that isn't all that controversial.
I hate to say this but you've lost your mind. You now sound like Truth Detector, Into the Night and all the rest of the RW crazies. I never used the word "mocked" and I didn't say Kirk did, either. The mockers were all the magas who claimed that the attacker was Paul Pelosi's gay lover. Were you one of them? Yet you think the attacker who almost killed Pelosi should have been bailed out. You don't acknowledge Kirk's weasel words about anything. First he says he's not qualifying anything, then he proceeds to do just that. Furthermore, he says that a person who bailed out the attacker would be a hero. A hero for bailing out someone who tried to kill Paul Pelosi.

We saw Pelosi's injuries and know that he was operated on for blunt-force injuries to the head. Even 18 months after the attack he wasn't back to normal 100%. Yet you think the attacker who almost killed Pelosi should have been bailed out. Jesus wept.

You need meds.
 
You're really becoming a hardass. I'm white, Christian, and have a more right-leaning perspective on transgenderism. Kirk still isn't my cup of tea. If you act that way when Christiefan said she listened and still didn't see what you wanted her to see, then you are trying to push a cult mentality.
It's ironic, isn't it, the way some of these magas lost their minds over any criticism of Kirk, yet keep talking about free speech. It's a total brainwashing.
 
What!!! I didn't know that. I wanted to see his words and I found them. :mad:

"And why is [the attacker] still in jail? Why has he not been bailed out?” Kirk asked. “By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out. I bet his bail’s like 30[,000] or 40,000 bucks. Bail him out, and then go ask him some questions.”

“I’m not qualifying it. I think it’s awful. It’s not right,” Kirk said about the attack on Pelosi, who suffered a skull fracture after being hit in the head with a hammer. “But why is it that in Chicago you’re able to commit murder and be out the next day? Why is it that you’re able to trespass, second-degree murder, arson, threaten a public official, cashless bail. This happens all over San Francisco. But if you go after the Pelosis, oh, you’re [not] let out immediately. Got it.”

Just like when I first heard him, here he's just the typical douche nozzle pundit conflating truth with fiction. It is completely fair to say this type of rhetoric is why he was killed.
 
I hate to say this but you've lost your mind. You now sound like Truth Detector, Into the Night and all the rest of the RW crazies. I never used the word "mocked" and I didn't say Kirk did, either. The mockers were all the magas who claimed that the attacker was Paul Pelosi's gay lover. Were you one of them? Yet you think the attacker who almost killed Pelosi should have been bailed out. You don't acknowledge Kirk's weasel words about anything. First he says he's not qualifying anything, then he proceeds to do just that. Furthermore, he says that a person who bailed out the attacker would be a hero. A hero for bailing out someone who tried to kill Paul Pelosi.

We saw Pelosi's injuries and know that he was operated on for blunt-force injuries to the head. Even 18 months after the attack he wasn't back to normal 100%. Yet you think the attacker who almost killed Pelosi should have been bailed out. Jesus wept.

You need meds.
Paul Pelosi is not Charlie Kirk.
 
I don't expect you to "join his cult"... I also don't expect someone like BartenderElite to join his cult. However, I do know that folks with leftist opinions can comprehend his message because of folks like BartenderElite and others.

What I do know, is that you didn't want to hear the actual message, you wanted to hear his examples of the excuses people use that he listed before he flat told them that all of those are just excuses...

What I do know, is that you went in with an opinion of what you thought he would say, and only heard the portions you wanted to hear... exactly as I predicted you would.

I'll tell you what happened in the video. He made a list of excuses that people used, then dismissed them all and put the responsibility directly on the shoulders of the person where they belonged....

What you heard... His list of the excuses that he dismissed as mattering.
This is the kind of hate you're supporting. You need help.

"At a 2023 event at Missouri State University, Kirk said that immigration to the United States should be completely stopped. In the lead-up to the 2024 presidential election, Kirk promoted the false claim that Haitians in Springfield, Ohio, were eating residents' pets and other wildlife. Kirk called for the use of force against migrants at the U.S.–Mexico border, including the use of tear gas, rubber bullets and whips. Kirk said that migrants were "bringing force upon themselves" by "invading" the country. In justifying this use of force, Kirk promoted false claims of disproportionate criminality among migrants, saying: "Those are the men that will go into your communities and break into your homes and rape your women, take your children. But, hey, they're -- they're dreamers."

In 2023, Kirk called for Mehdi Hasan to be deported and deplatformed over his views on the COVID-19 pandemic, calling him a "neurotic lunatic" and saying "Send him back to the country he came from. Holy cow! Get him off TV. Revoke his visa." In October 2023, Kirk also called U.S. Representative Ilhan Omar a "terrorist sympathizer" and called for her deportation."
 
This is the kind of hate you're supporting. You need help.

"At a 2023 event at Missouri State University, Kirk said that immigration to the United States should be completely stopped. In the lead-up to the 2024 presidential election, Kirk promoted the false claim that Haitians in Springfield, Ohio, were eating residents' pets and other wildlife. Kirk called for the use of force against migrants at the U.S.–Mexico border, including the use of tear gas, rubber bullets and whips. Kirk said that migrants were "bringing force upon themselves" by "invading" the country. In justifying this use of force, Kirk promoted false claims of disproportionate criminality among migrants, saying: "Those are the men that will go into your communities and break into your homes and rape your women, take your children. But, hey, they're -- they're dreamers."

In 2023, Kirk called for Mehdi Hasan to be deported and deplatformed over his views on the COVID-19 pandemic, calling him a "neurotic lunatic" and saying "Send him back to the country he came from. Holy cow! Get him off TV. Revoke his visa." In October 2023, Kirk also called U.S. Representative Ilhan Omar a "terrorist sympathizer" and called for her deportation."
:barf:
 
This is your side @Damocles. Own it.

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Jokes about Paul Pelosi aren’t just in bad taste. They normalize political violence | Arwa Mahdawi

Rightwingers are laughing about an attack that left an 82-year-old in hospital. It’s a watershed moment in politics
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Donald Trump Jr, for example, posted a meme on Sunday night showing a pair of underwear and a hammer next to the caption: “Got my Paul Pelosi Halloween costume ready.” On Monday night, the self-proclaimed “Meme Wars General” doubled down on his post, which referenced a baseless conspiracy theory about Pelosi and put up another crude meme mocking the attack.

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This is the kind of hate you're supporting. You need help.
Damocles isn't supporting hate. DEMOCRATS ARE.
"At a 2023 event at Missouri State University, Kirk said that immigration to the United States should be completely stopped.
ILLEGAL immigrants. moron.
In the lead-up to the 2024 presidential election, Kirk promoted the false claim that Haitians in Springfield, Ohio, were eating residents' pets and other wildlife.
Not a false claim, moron.
Kirk called for the use of force against migrants at the U.S.–Mexico border, including the use of tear gas, rubber bullets and whips. Kirk said that migrants were "bringing force upon themselves" by "invading" the country. In justifying this use of force, Kirk promoted false claims of disproportionate criminality among migrants, saying: "Those are the men that will go into your communities and break into your homes and rape your women, take your children. But, hey, they're -- they're dreamers."
ILLEGAL immigrants, moron.
In 2023, Kirk called for Mehdi Hasan to be deported and deplatformed over his views on the COVID-19 pandemic, calling him a "neurotic lunatic" and saying "Send him back to the country he came from. Holy cow! Get him off TV. Revoke his visa." In October 2023, Kirk also called U.S. Representative Ilhan Omar a "terrorist sympathizer" and called for her deportation."
Charlie Kirk was right.


Why do you condone murder?
 
Which positions on black people?

And yeah. I would likely disagree with anything religious based. He would, however, have listened to my position at one of his events.
Black airline pilots for one.

Nice weasel! :thup: That doesn't answer the question, Damo. Sure he would have. Charlie Kirk was very smooth. He was to be the crown prince of MAGA and, possibly, the first White Nationalist Turning Point candidate for President in 2028!

Why do you think Trump is giving him a state funeral when he didn't give a shit about the murdered Minnesota Democrats?
 
I’ve had a similar experience. Someone close to me posted about Kirk after he was murdered in a way that really shook me. It was the first time something political ever felt like it crossed that line.
You haven't noticed a trend toward political violence since, sayyyyy....January 6th, 2021? Do you support Donald Trump's rhetoric that "the Left" are destroying our nation and need to be destroyed?

What do you read in this statement?
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I’ve had a similar experience. Someone close to me posted about Kirk after he was murdered in a way that really shook me. It was the first time something political ever felt like it crossed that line.

This will sound melodramatic, but every hour that goes by has been a transformation for me. I see the world differently today than I did a week ago.

For me, it's a before & after moment.
 
Since almost every thread is about Kirk, here's another one. This speaks to his influence. I knew who he was but was never a fan. Didn't care for his provocative style. But I have to admit, I didn't know how influential he was. And based on the reactions of this board, neither did many others. It's really a generational thing. His appeal and popularity were largely with Gen Z (not exactly this board's demographic).

Trump likely wouldn't have won this past election without Kirk turning out young voters like he did. Politically speaking, going forward, we'll find out if someone can pick up his mantle or the conservative movement on campuses starts to fade.



Charlie Kirk Helped Republicans Break Through to Young People

It was nearly impossible for college students to open social media without being served a video of Kirk


When Olivia Hubbard left Iowa to attend college, she thought she was going to get a break from the conservatism her dad was always touting. Instead, she was politically awakened.

Hubbard, now 19 years old, was convinced by a roommate to see Charlie Kirk last year when he visited Grand Canyon University, 20 minutes from the headquarters of Kirk’s organization, Turning Point USA. Listening to Kirk speak, Hubbard said, was like hearing all of her beliefs articulated clearly.

“I thought it was supercool that there’s someone younger who was going to all these universities, and who did believe in God and really made that known,” said Hubbard, who is Christian. From that moment on she was hooked, staying up late watching videos of Kirk debating liberal students on other college campuses.

Kirk was killed Wednesday during a visit to Utah Valley University. The 31-year-old had become a standard-bearer of the MAGA movement and has been credited by President Trump for building his support with young people and helping ensure his return to office.

Mourners watched the arrival of Charlie Kirk's casket at Sky Harbor International Airport in Phoenix on Thursday. Photo: Rebecca Noble for WSJ
A master of 21st century mass media, Kirk accomplished what Republicans had failed to do for decades: break through with younger generations. Regardless of whether they supported him or not, it was nearly impossible for college students to open social media without being served a video of Kirk.

For a generation of young conservatives, he inspired them to proudly tout their views, including opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage. Countless others said his views were discriminatory and offensive. Love him or hate him, Kirk was ubiquitous.

Kirk also used social media to connect directly with young people whose views he wanted to elevate, messaging people directly to offer mentorship and launch careers. He boosted a new class of young conservative influencers, political aides and lawmakers, successfully lobbying Trump to pick JD Vance as his vice president.

“Charlie is the reason why I’m in Congress today,” Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, (R., Fla.) said in an interview. Kirk recruited Luna, 36, to work at his grassroots conservative organization, Turning Point USA, as director of Hispanic engagement in 2018. She went on to become the first federally elected alumni of his organization.

Luna said Kirk was successful in part because he knew how to use social media “to connect with the generation that’s grown up in a digital age.” Kirk’s Instagram account had more than 12 million followers.

Riley Gaines, 25, a conservative activist and former college swimmer who campaigns against transgender women participating in female sports, said Kirk deployed her to college campuses to speak with students about her experience.

“It’s Charlie who really gave me a platform, inviting me early on to just speak with him about it, offering his advice, his guidance,” said Gaines.

The legacy of Kirk’s message varies depending on whom you ask.

The evangelical Christian and father of two urged women to marry young, have many children and submit to their husbands. He said the Civil Rights Act was a mistake and opposed diversity efforts and gun control. He said transgender people were suffering from “mental delusion.”

“He didn’t have a lot of empathy or sympathy for humans. And I think that his views were flawed,” said Sofia Doneski, 18, a student at Arizona State University. Still, she said Kirk was talented at appealing to young people. “I don’t see anyone doing that for leftists,” she said.


His impact was undeniable. In 2020, then-candidate Joe Biden easily won voters 18-29 with nearly two thirds of the vote. By 2024, Trump closed the gap to 4 percentage points behind then-Vice President Kamala Harris. He outright won a majority of young men, according to data from AP VoteCast, an election survey.

“He’s probably the most influential person in our generation,” Carlie Jo Ahrenstorff, 21, a student at GCU, said through tears Thursday. Ahrenstorff said she and her roommates had huddled in their living room watching Fox News for updates, praying for Kirk to survive.

Carlie Jo Ahrenstorff, 21, at Grand Canyon University in Phoenix. Photo: Rebecca Noble for WSJ

Kirk also mastered live events, drawing thousands of excited college students to his appearances, either eager to hear him dunk on a liberal or hoping to see him get schooled by a debate opponent. He invited people of any political persuasion to spar with him under a plastic tent at his “Prove Me Wrong” events—“bring the best libs that Utah has to offer,” he said before he was killed Wednesday.

“That was his happy place was to be out under that tent, debating with people, and then just being out in the crowd of students,” said Carson Carpenter, 20, the former president of the College Republicans at ASU who also organized with Turning Point.

Several liberal students who debated him said after his death that while they vehemently disagreed with many of his views, they appreciated his willingness to debate and said conversations were respectful.


Kirk was hard to ignore. “There was this buzz going around” when he came to campus, said Mahogany McDougle, 18, a GCU student.

Kirk also built a formidable grassroots political machine. His organization, Turning Point USA, became a Republican hub on college campuses at a time when some conservative students felt isolated. It claims more than 250,000 student members with 3,500 college chapters at schools ranging from small private Christian universities to large public universities and Ivy League schools.

Attendees at a Turning Point USA event at Ohio State University where Kirk spoke in 2019. Photo: Megan jelinger/Agence France-Presse/Getty Images
Taylor Rogers, 24, an assistant press secretary at the White House, started a Turning Point USA chapter at Clemson University that became the largest chapter in the country at the time. She first met Kirk at a campus event. “In some way, he influenced everyone who is my age that is working in the White House today.”

Beyond his impact on campus, several prominent conservative influencers say Kirk was a mentor who encouraged their activism from a young age.


Brilyn Hollyhand, 19, a freshman at Auburn University, was only in the fourth grade when he invited Kirk to come on his own podcast. He was surprised that Kirk not only responded to him, but also agreed to join. The show ended up going 30 minutes past the scheduled time.

According to Hollyhand, when he asked Kirk why he had agreed to talk, Kirk said, “‘I give campus speeches begging Gen Z to get off the sidelines. And here’s a Gen Z member, you know, off the sidelines in the fight.’ And he was, like, ‘I wanted to reward you, and I wanted to thank you.’”

Thankfully people didn’t follow your RINO ways
 
I hate to say this but you've lost your mind. You now sound like Truth Detector, Into the Night and all the rest of the RW crazies. I never used the word "mocked" and I didn't say Kirk did, either. The mockers were all the magas who claimed that the attacker was Paul Pelosi's gay lover. Were you one of them? Yet you think the attacker who almost killed Pelosi should have been bailed out. You don't acknowledge Kirk's weasel words about anything. First he says he's not qualifying anything, then he proceeds to do just that. Furthermore, he says that a person who bailed out the attacker would be a hero. A hero for bailing out someone who tried to kill Paul Pelosi.

We saw Pelosi's injuries and know that he was operated on for blunt-force injuries to the head. Even 18 months after the attack he wasn't back to normal 100%. Yet you think the attacker who almost killed Pelosi should have been bailed out. Jesus wept.

You need meds.
You really do have derangement syndrome. If he had attacked any other person in SF he would not have had any cash bail, this was the point. If he really wanted to do it, he could have afforded to do it.

Bail him out, ask him some questions.
 
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