Century-old Francis Scott Key monument defaced with 'racist anthem' in Baltimore

noise said:
completely wrong. Look at the Nuremburg trials. How many ordinary German soldiers were on trial? Zero.

We quickly mended fences, and west Germany was rebuilt -
would we be doing this if EVERYONE THAT FOUGHT AS GERMANS WE EVIL??

Your sanctimonious bullshit betrays you yet again
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No, but you don't see people putting up statues of Nazis in UNIFORM to honor them, do ya?

I bet you think we're trying to "erase history" because of that. Because we're not looking at the complete people that they were.
 
Thing1 said:
No, but you don't see people putting up statues of Nazis in UNIFORM to honor them, do ya?

I bet you think we're trying to "erase history" because of that. Because we're not looking at the complete people that they were.
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Nazi army had many war crimes..
Confederates were honorable soldiers -the Union took them in as soldiers after the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanized_Yankees
Galvanized Yankees was a term from the American Civil War used to refer to former Confederate prisoners of war who swore allegiance to the Union and joined the Union Army. Approximately 5,600 former Confederate soldiers enlisted in the U.S. Volunteers, organized into six regiments between January 1864 and November 1866. Of those, more than 250 began their service as Union soldiers, were captured in battle, then enlisted in prison to join a regiment of the Confederate States Army. They surrendered to Union forces in December 1864 and were held by the United States as deserters, but were saved from prosecution by being enlisted in the 5th and 6th U.S. Volunteers.[1] Approximately 800 former Confederates also served in volunteer regiments raised by the states, forming ten companies. Four of those companies saw combat in the Western Theater against the Confederate Army, two served on the western frontier, and one became an independent company of U.S. Volunteers, serving in Minnesota.


 
anatta said:
Nazi army had many war crimes..
Confederates were honorable soldiers -the Union took them in as soldiers after the war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanized_Yankees
Galvanized Yankees was a term from the American Civil War used to refer to former Confederate prisoners of war who swore allegiance to the Union and joined the Union Army. Approximately 5,600 former Confederate soldiers enlisted in the U.S. Volunteers, organized into six regiments between January 1864 and November 1866. Of those, more than 250 began their service as Union soldiers, were captured in battle, then enlisted in prison to join a regiment of the Confederate States Army. They surrendered to Union forces in December 1864 and were held by the United States as deserters, but were saved from prosecution by being enlisted in the 5th and 6th U.S. Volunteers.[1] Approximately 800 former Confederates also served in volunteer regiments raised by the states, forming ten companies. Four of those companies saw combat in the Western Theater against the Confederate Army, two served on the western frontier, and one became an independent company of U.S. Volunteers, serving in Minnesota.


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The FOUGHT TO PRESERVE SLAVERY.

My god.
 
anatta said:
you're a broken record thing..
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Actually, I'm the only one here who is actually thinking.

I don't give a fuck either way about the statue. But I can empathize w/ people - and I totally get why someone whose ancestors were affected negatively by slavery wouldn't want to see a uniformed confederate general every day.

Idiot. Really, and truly - such an idiot.
 
Thing1 said:
Actually, I'm the only one here who is actually thinking.

I don't give a fuck either way about the statue. But I can empathize w/ people - and I totally get why someone whose ancestors were affected negatively by slavery wouldn't want to see a uniformed confederate general every day.

Idiot. Really, and truly - such an idiot.
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And you are truly addicted to sanctimonious hyperbole lol.

Does any other opinion matter, or is it 'racist' to have a different opinion than yours?
 
Darth Omar said:
And you are truly addicted to sanctimonious hyperbole lol.

Does any other opinion matter, or is it 'racist' to have a different opinion than yours?
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That might be an interesting comment, if you could find even one post where I actually call someone a racist here.

I don't even call the racists racist (and yeah - we do have a few here). Do you have anything intelligent to say at all, or do you want to just throw out generic BS like "all liberals are racebaiters"?
 
Thing1 said:
That might be an interesting comment, if you could find even one post where I actually call someone a racist here.

I don't even call the racists racist (and yeah - we do have a few here). Do you have anything intelligent to say at all, or do you want to just throw out generic BS like "all liberals are racebaiters"?
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Many of them are.

You say you don't give a Frick either way about the monuments. That implies you get both sides of the argument.

How would you phrase the other side of the argument? Without injecting racism.
 
Darth Omar said:
Many of them are.

You say you don't give a Frick either way about the monuments. That implies you get both sides of the argument.

How would you phrase the other side of the argument? Without injecting racism.
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I don't really get the "other side," quite honestly. Lee's statue just doesn't offend me personally. I tend not to get too offended in general, and I'm not a PC person.

But on issues like that, I completely defer to people who DO find offense, and I get why they might. My ancestors didn't have to endure the horror of slavery. If we're going to err, it should be on the side of respect for what the confederacy and that statue might represent to them.

The whole "OMG! We're erasing our history!" alarmism is just pure nonsense. I can't really relate to it at all. Lee fought for people's right to own slaves, and he lost. I can't even muster a 10 second-long pity party for his statue coming down.
 
Thing1 said:
I don't really get the "other side," quite honestly. Lee's statue just doesn't offend me personally. I tend not to get too offended in general, and I'm not a PC person.

But on issues like that, I completely defer to people who DO find offense, and I get why they might. My ancestors didn't have to endure the horror of slavery. If we're going to err, it should be on the side of respect for what the confederacy and that statue might represent to them.

The whole "OMG! We're erasing our history!" alarmism is just pure nonsense. I can't really relate to it at all. Lee fought for people's right to own slaves, and he lost. I can't even muster a 10 second-long pity party for his statue coming down.
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You're a slippery little weasel for sure.
 
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