So you don't want solution to crimes?
Carjackings in DC plunge. Thank you President Trump. Biden failed
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No I didn't. Y O U posted an image of Black thugs setting a building on fire, blaming the Left for it.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Yes. My up-front solution is to catch, arrest, try, convict, and punish to the fullest extent of the law every criminal there is.
Trying to stop crime by reducing poverty is unlikely to succeed. Trying to stop it by eliminating stupidity is never going to succeed.
Trying to stop it by "root causes" works about as well as this:
Beating that kid's ass will work far better.
While that's art reflecting life, it has a solid ring of truth in it.
They have been dropping since the 1980s,
Teflon Don
I'm back baby
Have you always had such perverse fantasies?
Seems odd to express them here on a political message board. But whatever gets you leftists off
Teflon Don
I'm back baby
Don't pretend you don't know
So he's a magician? All of sudden he stopped criminals from doing crimes?
Teflon Don
I'm back baby
You don't know the secret to lowering the crime rate?
It isn't complicated. Giuliani showed the way in NYC after he took over the shithole from Dinkins.
Trump takes office, carjackings go down. Don't even pretend that if they went up, you and your ilk wouldn't be blaming him
BULLSHIT
Oh, I know. trumptards are allergic to the truth. You're such a sorry loser!
Down! Suck a butt!
June of 2023, there were 140 carjackings in DC, a peak number. Biden got more funding for local police, and by June of 2024, it had dropped to back down to 31 carjackings. Then trump became president and switched from local police to random federal police, and carjackings went up to 37 in June of 2025.
June is the high month, because it is warm, and kids are out of school. Is trump responsible for the Winter?
Grim Reaper
Chief Exit Officer (CEO)
Short answer:
The D.C. carjacking crisis: A tale of two administrations
Over the past five years, the District has witnessed a stunning shift in carjacking offenses, exposing the consequences of political leadership and legal loopholes. We are at a crossroads: Do we continue to tolerate a revolving door for violent offenders, or do we demand accountability and reform?www.washingtontimes.com
What a novel idea. When you enforce the law, crime decreases. Biden was either incompetent or didn't care. Take your pick.
Of course the two aren't mutually exclusive
- The claim that Washington, D.C. saw a sharp rise in carjackings in recent years is true.
- The claim that this is clearly because of one administration (e.g., blaming Joe Biden) is not supported by solid evidence.
- The conclusion “enforce the law → crime decreases” is oversimplified and not consistently backed by data.
What’s accurate
- Washington, D.C. did experience a notable spike in carjackings, especially around 2022–2023.
- Crime trends in cities can shift quickly, and D.C. officials (local police, mayor, council) have taken steps like:
- Increasing enforcement
- Adjusting juvenile justice policies
- Targeting repeat offenders
Some data suggests carjackings declined after peaking, which often happens after spikes when enforcement and attention increase.
What’s misleading or unsupported
1. Blaming a U.S. president
D.C. crime policy is primarily controlled by:
- The D.C. City Council
- The Mayor of D.C.
- Local law enforcement
While the federal government has some oversight, there’s no clear evidence that policies from Joe Biden directly caused changes in carjacking rates.
2. “Enforce the law and crime decreases”
This sounds intuitive, but research in Criminology shows it’s more complicated:
Crime rates are influenced by many factors:
- Economic conditions
- Pandemic disruptions (a major factor in early-2020s crime spikes)
- Youth involvement and school disruptions
- Policing strategies
- Prosecution and sentencing practices
In some cases, increased enforcement helps. In others, it has limited or temporary effects.
3. Source bias
The The Washington Times is an opinion-driven outlet with a clear editorial perspective. That doesn’t make it automatically wrong, but it does mean claims should be cross-checked with broader data.
Bottom line
Carjackings in D.C. did rise sharply and became a serious issue
There’s no clear causal proof tying that trend to Biden personally- The “just enforce laws” explanation is too simplistic to explain complex crime patterns
Crime rates have been dropping for years nearly everywhere, got nothing to do with the military occupying DCThe D.C. carjacking crisis: A tale of two administrations
Over the past five years, the District has witnessed a stunning shift in carjacking offenses, exposing the consequences of political leadership and legal loopholes. We are at a crossroads: Do we continue to tolerate a revolving door for violent offenders, or do we demand accountability and reform?
What a novel idea. When you enforce the law, crime decreases. Biden was either incompetent or didn't care. Take your pick.
Of course the two aren't mutually exclusive
Interesting cause if you go to DC the Guard is strategically positioned around all the major tourist locations, not in the areas known for repeated crime, but out were they get maximum visibility, explains it all
So of Democrats “did little to stop crime” how did crime decline for years in all those Democrat cities where crime decreased? And please, spare us the FBI reporting changed line
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
Change the reporting requirements to make it look better than it is...
FBI quietly revised 2022 crime data to show violent offenses rose rather than dropped
In 2021, the bureau appears to have concluded it overcounted violent crime incidents by 55,786 and undercounted them in 2022 by 24,243.
nypost.com
Here's an op ed that inadvertently proves what I'm saying while trying to make the opposite argument.
Debunking Trump saying crime stats ignore 30% of cities
Former President Donald Trump has long focused on high crime rates as a campaign issue, but this position has been compl
www.politifact.com
Simply not report the crime at all to statistics keepers...
Many Large U.S. Police Agencies Are Missing from FBI Crime Data
Here are four reasons to worry about the missing national crime data.
Redefine the crimes. Example: Make shoplifting short of looting a non-crime.
Grim Reaper
Chief Exit Officer (CEO)
Change the reporting requirements to make it look better than it is...
FBI quietly revised 2022 crime data to show violent offenses rose rather than dropped
In 2021, the bureau appears to have concluded it overcounted violent crime incidents by 55,786 and undercounted them in 2022 by 24,243.
Here's an op ed that inadvertently proves what I'm saying while trying to make the opposite argument.
Debunking Trump saying crime stats ignore 30% of cities
Former President Donald Trump has long focused on high crime rates as a campaign issue, but this position has been compl
Simply not report the crime at all to statistics keepers...
Many Large U.S. Police Agencies Are Missing from FBI Crime Data
Here are four reasons to worry about the missing national crime data.www.themarshallproject.org
Redefine the crimes. Example: Make shoplifting short of looting a non-crime.
1. “FBI quietly revised 2022 crime data… violent offenses rose rather than dropped”
What’s accurate
- The FBI did revise 2021–2022 crime estimates after initial publication.
- The revision did change the trend direction for violent crime (from a small decrease to a small increase) in some comparisons of estimated totals.
- The revisions involved large re-estimation adjustments, including:
- lowering some 2021 counts
- raising some 2022 counts
This is why the trend flipped in some datasets.
What is misleading or oversimplified
- The claim that this was a “quiet” or hidden change is debatable framing:
- The FBI published updated datasets and revised estimates, but did not highlight it prominently in press releases the way critics think it should have.
- The change does not mean the FBI “changed crime reality”—it reflects:
- reporting delays
- agencies entering late data
- statistical reweighting due to incomplete coverage (transition to NIBRS reporting system)
Bottom line
✔ True that revisions changed the estimated trend
⚠ Misleading to imply secrecy or manipulation without context
⚠ Changes reflect statistical reporting corrections, not new crimes being “discovered” in real time
2. “Op-ed proves stats are unreliable / manipulated”
You cite commentary (PolitiFact + op-ed framing).
Fact check
- PolitiFact did not support claims that FBI crime data is broadly manipulated.
- Their fact-checks generally conclude:
- crime data is imperfect but not systematically falsified
- political claims often misuse or selectively cite statistics
Bottom line
⚠ The “it proves manipulation” interpretation is not supported by PolitiFact analysis
✔ It may critique misuse of stats, not the integrity of the dataset itself
3. “Simply not reporting crime at all to FBI statistics keepers”
This refers to incomplete participation.
What’s true
- Many police departments do not fully report or are delayed in reporting to FBI systems.
- During the transition to the National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS):
- participation temporarily dropped
- some major agencies were missing or late
- This is widely documented, including by The Marshall Project
What’s important context
- Missing data does not mean crime is hidden intentionally
- It means:
- reporting systems vary by jurisdiction
- some agencies lack technical capacity or transition delays
Bottom line
✔ True that some agencies are missing or delayed in FBI datasets
⚠ False implication if interpreted as coordinated suppression of crime stats
4. “Redefine the crimes (e.g., make shoplifting non-crime)”
Fact check
- This is not something the FBI does in the way implied.
- Crime definitions in FBI statistics are based on:
- legal definitions from jurisdictions
- standardized reporting categories (UCR/NIBRS)
What does happen
- Legal changes in states/localities can:
- reclassify offenses
- change thresholds (e.g., felony vs misdemeanor theft limits)
Bottom line
⚠ The FBI does not unilaterally “redefine crimes to hide them”
✔ Laws can change what is classified as a crime at the state level
But this is legislative/legal change, not statistical manipulationOverall assessment
Your message mixes real issues in crime data reporting with interpretive claims that go beyond the evidence.
What is factually supported
- FBI crime data is revised periodically
- Reporting gaps exist (especially during system transitions)
- Different datasets can produce different year-to-year interpretations
What is not supported
- That data is being intentionally manipulated to mislead the public
- That crime is being systematically “not reported” as a form of concealment
- That legal categories are being broadly changed for statistical deception
Teflon Don
I'm back baby
Actually I would rather the NG where tourists are because you want tourists to come in. Let the animals keep killing each other. That is teh Mayors problem.
And the rural areas have?Change the reporting requirements to make it look better than it is...
FBI quietly revised 2022 crime data to show violent offenses rose rather than dropped
In 2021, the bureau appears to have concluded it overcounted violent crime incidents by 55,786 and undercounted them in 2022 by 24,243.
Here's an op ed that inadvertently proves what I'm saying while trying to make the opposite argument.
Debunking Trump saying crime stats ignore 30% of cities
Former President Donald Trump has long focused on high crime rates as a campaign issue, but this position has been compl
Simply not report the crime at all to statistics keepers...
Many Large U.S. Police Agencies Are Missing from FBI Crime Data
Here are four reasons to worry about the missing national crime data.
Redefine the crimes. Example: Make shoplifting short of looting a non-crime.
Tourists have always come in, before and after Trump, NG or no NG