Can someone explain this??

USFREEDOM911 said:
Is keeping liquid alcohol on site, part of your business??

And, that really didn't address the house fire and your neighbor(s).
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It doesn't matter if it is part of my business or not. If I own it and it spills into someplace it shouldn't and causes damage my insurance or my pockets themselves will pay for the cleanup. That's because that is what we require of people. And I am not sure of the neighboring house, it depends on whether I followed building codes, etc. Let's say I put my own shake on my roof, it wasn't fireproofed as required, and it caused the spread of the fire, then yes. I would have to pay for extended damage from the spread of the fire.
 
Damocles said:
It doesn't matter if it is part of my business or not. If I own it and it spills into someplace it shouldn't and causes damage my insurance or my pockets themselves will pay for the cleanup. That's because that is what we require of people.
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Yes it does; because this is about a business and not a home owner.

But let's do down that road.

Were you storing it according to the required regulations??

Did a lighting strike cause it to "spill into someplace it shouldn't be"??
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Yes it does; because this is about a business and not a home owner.

But let's do down that road.

Were you storing it according to the required regulations??

Did a lighting strike cause it to "spill into someplace it shouldn't be"??
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No, it doesn't. Because if something you own causes damage to others or your surroundings you will be required to pay for the cleanup regardless of whether you are a business or not. This whole discussion is specious, once people noted that of course the business would pay for the damage because that is what we require of anybody at all that causes the same kind of damage and you recognize that it should really end the discussion. Just trying to keep it alive with inconsequential secondary questions just puts it into the weeds.
 
Damocles said:
No, it doesn't. Because if something you own causes damage to others or your surroundings you will be required to pay for the cleanup regardless of whether you are a business or not. This whole discussion is specious, once people noted that of course the business would pay for the damage because that is what we require of anybody at all that causes the same kind of damage and you recognize that it should really end the discussion. Just trying to keep it alive with inconsequential secondary questions just puts it into the weeds.
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Untrue; because you failed to address the question of:

Are you responsible if your home is struck by lightening and while it's burning, it sets the neighbors house on fire??
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Untrue; because you failed to address the question of:

Are you responsible if your home is struck by lightening and while it's burning, it sets the neighbors house on fire??
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Yet I did answer it. I noted that differences in how my home may be built would net different results in whether I would be charged if the fire spread. The reality is, if stuff I own damaged fish in a stream nearby my insurance or I would be charged for the damage. Even if it was struck by lightening first. Much like you would be charged if it were your house, or say your car. As you were driving, it is struck by lightening and because of that you lose control and it smashes through a fence and into a barn burning it down. Your insurance would pay the damages, or you would. That lightening began the events doesn't change it.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Official: Lightning caused Jim Beam bourbon warehouse fire

The Kentucky Energy and Environment Cabinet says lightning sparked the fire at a Jim Beam warehouse that caused bourbon to leak into creeks and rivers.

News outlets report cabinet spokesman John Mura confirmed the cause Wednesday. The fire started July 2, destroying the Woodford County warehouse and about 45,000 barrels of bourbon.

Some alcohol flowed from Glenns Creek to the Kentucky River, and then to the Ohio River where, fish died. Jim Beam and environmental officials used equipment to restore oxygen to the water in an attempt to minimize the number of fish killed.

The cabinet said on Facebook that the alcohol plume is dissipating as it moves along the Ohio River.

Mura says the cabinet plans to issue Jim Beam a notice of violation that could lead to a fine.


Jim Beam to be fined for bourbon fire that hurt rivers, fish

Authorities say Jim Beam will be fined for the warehouse fire that contaminated nearby waters with bourbon and killed fish.

WKYT-TV that there will be a penalty. He says the state Department of Fish & Wildlife may also fine the company. The cost of the fines was unclear as of Wednesday.

A lightning strike set the Woodford County warehouse on fire last week and destroyed about 45,000 barrels of bourbon. The site burned for days and runoff filled with alcohol and firefighting chemicals bled into nearby rivers and creeks, removing oxygen from the water and killing fish.

The cabinet said the nearly 23-mile alcohol plume moved through the Kentucky River and into the Ohio River, where it is dissipating.

Act of God

In the law of contracts, an act of God may be interpreted as an implied defense under the rule of impossibility or impracticability. If so, the promise is discharged because of unforeseen occurrences, which were unavoidable and would result in insurmountable delay, expense, or other material breach.

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Can someone explain how Jim Beam was supposed to know that lightening was going to strike and cause the fire?? :dunno:

:facepalm:
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Incorrect use of the law cited. They could have built a more efficient fire retardent system. Fires are not unforeseeable.
 
Damocles said:
Yet I did answer it. I noted that differences in how my home may be built would net different results in whether I would be charged if the fire spread. The reality is, if stuff I own damaged fish in a stream nearby my insurance or I would be charged for the damage. Even if it was struck by lightening first. Much like you would be charged if it were your house, or say your car. As you were driving, it is struck by lightening and because of that you lose control and it smashes through a fence and into a barn burning it down. Your insurance would pay the damages, or you would. That lightening began the events doesn't change it.
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In your answer though, you failed to address the points that I raised.
Damocles: It's possible that this company is self-insuring as well. Either way, if my house was hit by lightning and burned down I would have to pay for the cleanup.

USFREEDOM911: But if the sparks set your neighbor(s) house on fire or maybe more then one neighbors homes, would you be responsible to pay for their cleanup also??

Damocles: If I kept gallons of liquid alcohol on site and it flowed into the river and killed fish I would have to pay for the cleanup.

USFREEDOM9Is keeping liquid alcohol on site, part of your business??
And, that really didn't address the house fire and your neighbor(s).

Damocles: It doesn't matter if it is part of my business or not. If I own it and it spills into someplace it shouldn't and causes damage my insurance or my pockets themselves will pay for the cleanup. That's because that is what we require of people. And I am not sure of the neighboring house, it depends on whether I followed building codes, etc. Let's say I put my own shake on my roof, it wasn't fireproofed as required, and it caused the spread of the fire, then yes. I would have to pay for extended damage from the spread of the fire.

USFREEDOM911Yes it does; because this is about a business and not a home owner.
But let's do down that road.
Were you storing it according to the required regulations??
Did a lighting strike cause it to "spill into someplace it shouldn't be"??

Damocles: No, it doesn't. Because if something you own causes damage to others or your surroundings you will be required to pay for the cleanup regardless of whether you are a business or not. This whole discussion is specious, once people noted that of course the business would pay for the damage because that is what we require of anybody at all that causes the same kind of damage and you recognize that it should really end the discussion. Just trying to keep it alive with inconsequential secondary questions just puts it into the weeds.

USFREEDOM911Untrue; because you failed to address the question of:
Are you responsible if your home is struck by lightening and while it's burning, it sets the neighbors house on fire??

Damocles: Yet I did answer it. I noted that differences in how my home may be built would net different results in whether I would be charged if the fire spread. The reality is, if stuff I own damaged fish in a stream nearby my insurance or I would be charged for the damage. Even if it was struck by lightening first. Much like you would be charged if it were your house, or say your car. As you were driving, it is struck by lightening and because of that you lose control and it smashes through a fence and into a barn burning it down. Your insurance would pay the damages, or you would. That lightening began the events doesn't change it.

And you appear to be the only one talking about Insurance; because everyone else is saying Jim Beam needs to pay for this, plus you want to lay blame where nothings been proven to be their fault.

Entirely two different circumstances.
 
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USFREEDOM911 said:
I'm not insisting that GovCo be involved; but my responses were addressing something that someone else brought up.

Saying that they caused this, without any evidence of them being negligent, is like someone blaming a car manufacturer for an accident, without showing that the car company was responsible for the accident.
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That's not the same at all. They built the building, own and operated it.
 
Damocles said:
This seems to be the reason that they would purchase insurance, much like we do. If my house catches fire, for a reason other than arson, I have to pay for the cleanup, usually we don't even think of the cost because we are all required to have insurance that winds up paying for it.
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Further, if your house fire damages the neighbor's property, you are liable.
 
Thats why God invented lightning rods.
Their insurance company ought to be curious about this too.
Negligence is the reason.
 
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