Can anyone make a cogent case for how birthright citizenship is good for America?

Of course not. I never invested with him.

Partially.
I knew a guy who married a 45yo Filipina when he was 65 and then they adopted a bunch of her orphan relatives from PI. He got 50% of his SS additional each month for each child while his lovely bride raised them. Then when they turned 18 and the checks stopped coming he died.

I think old Bob came out ok
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I knew a guy who married a 45yo Filipina when he was 65 and then they adopted a bunch of her orphan relatives from PI. He got 50% of his SS additional each month for each child while his lovely bride raised them. Then when they turned 18 and the checks stopped coming he died.

I think old Bob came out ok
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My father thought Filipinos should be considered Americans and be able to go back and forth at will; he served over there in WW II and liked them.

He probably wouldn't want that these days, though, given how much they've changed. He died before all the anti-American sniveling started over there. I laughed my ass off after the Red Chinese started ramming their fishing boats after they threw our Navy out of their base there. If it weren't for its strategic location I wouldn't care if the Red Chinese invaded them now; let them reap what they sowed with their arrogant hippie shit.
 
Of course not. I never invested with him.
Madoff had "investors" that received statements telling them the value of their investments even though those statements were not true.
Partially. Of what I paid in.
But of course you consider that to be the cost of a government shakedown for the “privilege” of being a citizen.
You don't get a statement from Social Security because it is not a Ponzi scheme and doesn't send out statements telling you the value of your invested funds.
 
The more Americans born in the US the more workers there will be in 18 years making contributions to Social Security which will help keep it solvent.
This is actually a sensible argument. The only condition I would add is only children born to foreign nationals that entered the country legally should be granted citizenship status. It might encourage legal immigration and people would be entering the country legitimately which very few people are opposed to. What would you say to that?
 
Madoff had "investors" that received statements telling them the value of their investments even though those statements were not true.

You don't get a statement from Social Security because it is not a Ponzi scheme and doesn't send out statements telling you the value of your invested funds.
By definition SS is a ponzI scheme but it's not going anywhere.so there's no use discussing. I wish there had been an opt out. I'd have retired a long time ago.
 
This is actually a sensible argument. The only condition I would add is only children born to foreign nationals that entered the country legally should be granted citizenship status. It might encourage legal immigration and people would be entering the country legitimately which very few people are opposed to. What would you say to that?
It's hard to encourage legal immigration when the Trump administration is working to shut down most legal immigration.
 
By definition SS is a ponzI scheme but it's not going anywhere.so there's no use discussing.
It has financial issues but it isn't a Ponzi scheme. I guess we could make it viable by simply not allowing anyone that calls it a Ponzi scheme to take any money out since taking money out of Ponzi scheme and knowing it is one is illegal.

I wish there had been an opt out. I'd have retired a long time ago.
Or you would have lost all your savings to some scam or another.
 
It's hard to encourage legal immigration when the Trump administration is working to shut down most legal immigration.
Well since we've essentially had no border for the last 4 years the first order of business is the stop the flow and if that means legal immigration has to be slowed as well then they can thank the Biden administration for that
 
Well since we've essentially had no border for the last 4 years the first order of business is the stop the flow and if that means legal immigration has to be slowed as well then they can thank the Biden administration for that
I see you have decided to show us you would have been very likely to have lost all your money to a scam.

We certainly had a border the last 4 years because the number of people stopped at the border and not let into the country or expelled exceeded 5 million.
 
It has financial issues but it isn't a Ponzi scheme. I guess we could make it viable by simply not allowing anyone that calls it a Ponzi scheme to take any money out since taking money out of Ponzi scheme and knowing it is one is illegal.


Or you would have lost all your savings to some scam or another.
Oh i see you think the money that SS recipients receive today comes out of some account that was created in their name? LMFAO Most people will get more out of SS than they contributed. Who is paying for that? Not them. So people who previously paid in are being paid with funds from current contributors. In other words a ponzi scheme

That's a big MAYBE but even if I hid the cash under my mattress I wouldn't have to pay taxes on today like you do when you get a SS payment every month. You people are fucking stupid
 
Oh i see you think the money that SS recipients receive today comes out of some account that was created in their name? LMFAO Most people will get more out of SS than they contributed. Who is paying for that? Not them. So people who previously paid in are being paid with funds from current contributors. In other words a ponzi scheme
Nope. That sounds like insurance. The question is will people get more out when adjusted for inflation? Have you done the math or are you relying on others without checking if they are telling you the truth?
That's a big MAYBE but even if I hid the cash under my mattress I wouldn't have to pay taxes on today like you do when you get a SS payment every month. You people are fucking stupid
Did you forget you said you wished you would have been able to opt out of SS and invest that money. I am pointing out you are easily duped and likely would have lost it all if you had done so since you fall for false information. Lucky for you there is SS.
 
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