Called it yesterday, the right wing media is so predictable,

Ralph said:
More circles. First Noah did not round up the animals they came to him over a period of time (Genesis 6:20).

Next the Bible gives everyone the dimensions of the ark. 300x50x30cubits. (438x73x48ft). The Bible tells us there were 3 levels on the ark...thus the total volume for the ark would have been about 1,400,000 cubic ft....or about the same storage capacity as 532 railcars today. FYI: one rail car can carry over 420 full grown sheep. And Bible does not say that all the animals that were placed on the ark by 2s were adult....in fact it would be easier to feed and house infant examples of those pairs...especially the wild life examples thereof.

Those animals had 120 years to come to Noah as that is how long the ark construction took. Thus....estimating the capacity of the ark...it would have easily held some 75000 animals both adult and infant. And the average size of the animals was about the size of a full grown sheep. And estimated 75000 animals averaging about the size of a sheep would have taken up but HALF the storage space...the rest was used for food storage and living spaces for the human passengers.
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Yeah, I read about the absurd notion that all the frikkin animals times two were given the command to all migrate to the same place. Did I mention you have a 10 year old mentality? Drop that a couple years.

I also read on one of your creationist sites about non-adult animals. Guess what, Ralphie? Infant animals give you a real problem on survivability and reproduction.

And that you would claim Noah took 120 years is hysterical.

You were home schooled, weren't you?
 
domer76 said:
Yeah, I read about the absurd notion that all the tricking animals times two were given the command to all migrate to the same place. Did I mention you have a 10 year old mentality? Drop that a couple years.

I also read on one of your creations just sites about non-adult animals. Guess what, Ralphie? Infant animals give you a real problem on survivability and reproduction.

And that you would claim Noah took 120 years is hysterical.

You were home schooled, weren't you?
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Guess What? You are still to prove the account is not possible or not true....and its you who claim to be working with science? Really? How many posts have you made in presenting nothing but ad hominem BS? And again....how does this obvious deflection of your ignorance concerning scripture...effect my faith? It does not, because you have presented nothing worthy of providing any doubt whatsoever. Its a simple thing either you can prove something or you can't. :) I have to prove nothing....to myself as I possess a belief beyond the reason of doubt. And your belief...is moot. But it must be frustrating that you can't browbeat another by parroting internet shopping lists of false accusations without having them debunked and dismissed with ease. As I said before....you are a funny angry little person....and I find that amusing. as :lies: are not beneath you....but you hate it when you are busted.
 
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"creationist" #41
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"Intelligent design"!

What an oxynimrod.
 
Ralph said:
Guess What? You are still to prove the account is not possible or not true....and its you who claim to be working with science? Really? How many posts have you made in presenting nothing but ad hominem BS? And again....how does this obvious deflection of your ignorance concerning scripture...effect my faith? It does not, because you have presented nothing worthy of providing any doubt whatsoever. Its a simple thing either you can prove something or you can't. :) I have to prove nothing....to myself as I possess a belief beyond the reason of doubt. And your belief...is moot. But it must be frustrating that you can't browbeat another by parroting internet shopping lists of false accusations without having them debunked and dismissed with ease. As I said before....you are a funny angry little person....and I find that amusing. as :lies: are not beneath you....but you hate it when you are busted.
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Yeah, real science tells you that it makes perfect sense that a 500 year old man would take a 120 years to build one football field sized boat to hold all the animals in the world (x2) that would all migrate to the same fucking location and take only 24 hours to load. Then, they would stay, in harmony, for a year with all the food they needed only to be released to the four corners of the world.

Ralphie, you're a home-schooled retard.
 
Ralph said:
Only the left believes the lie....that not paying taxes is like stealing...when in reality that money belongs to one's that earned it in the first place...the thievery takes place by the Government which has "NOTHING" that it does not take/steal from the PEOPLE/STATES. Not paying taxes is a good thing in a free and liberated capitalist nation...that money stays in the private sector and allows that business to spend it how they will (not how left wing nuts wants to spend it on cell phones for the hood, studying the mating habits of earthworms...etc.) like creating more jobs in allowing the people to EARN even more money.

Indeed its a most difficult thing to "give" someone something they already possess....their own wealth.
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They are giving them more than tax breaks, but...

When the government gives only some businesses a tax break then they interfere with the marketplace in a destructive way. The businesses will stop competing in the marketplace by offering better products or a lower price and will start competing in terms of lobbying the government for favors. Rent-seeking will never grow the economy.
 
"Yeah, real science tells you that it makes perfect sense that a 500 year old man would take a 120 years to build one football field sized boat to hold all the animals in the world (x2) that would all migrate to the same fucking location and take only 24 hours to load. Then, they would stay, in harmony, for a year with all the food they needed only to be released to the four corners of the world.

Ralphie, you're a home-schooled retard." d7 #45
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Some have better honed critical thinking skills than others.

Let's cut to the chase.
The story of Noah's arc need not be factually true in every detail to have some value.
I'm not a believer.
I'm an extremely skeptical agnostic.

Was it Dr. Carl Sagan that said extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence?
But that Biblical story is conceptual.

And apart from the supernatural details, the story still teaches.
 
Ralph said:
More circles. First Noah did not round up the animals they came to him over a period of time (Genesis 6:20).

Next the Bible gives everyone the dimensions of the ark. 300x50x30cubits. (438x73x48ft). The Bible tells us there were 3 levels on the ark...thus the total volume for the ark would have been about 1,400,000 cubic ft....or about the same storage capacity as 532 railcars today. FYI: one rail car can carry over 420 full grown sheep. And Bible does not say that all the animals that were placed on the ark by 2s were adult....in fact it would be easier to feed and house infant examples of those pairs...especially the wild life examples thereof.

Those animals had 120 years to come to Noah as that is how long the ark construction took. Thus....estimating the capacity of the ark...it would have easily held some 75000 animals both adult and infant. And the average size of the animals was about the size of a full grown sheep. An estimated 75000 animals averaging about the size of a sheep would have taken up but HALF the storage space...the rest was used for food storage and living spaces for the human passengers.

It easy to demonstrate that it was possible...now you prove that it was not possible....or that it did not happen. That would be quite difficult as such a record rests with the majority all the civilizations on earth....even on the Western Hemisphere Continents. Not all those records can prove that it did not exist....as truth....but those records don't prohibit one record from being grounded in truth...you can have many accounts but only one truth.
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Even with the dinosaurs?

Do you have a source for the 420 sheep to a rail car claim? Does that include their feed and water supplies?
 
Ralph said:
Guess What? You are still to prove the account is not possible or not true....and its you who claim to be working with science? Really? How many posts have you made in presenting nothing but ad hominem BS? And again....how does this obvious deflection of your ignorance concerning scripture...effect my faith? It does not, because you have presented nothing worthy of providing any doubt whatsoever. Its a simple thing either you can prove something or you can't. :) I have to prove nothing....to myself as I possess a belief beyond the reason of doubt. And your belief...is moot. But it must be frustrating that you can't browbeat another by parroting internet shopping lists of false accusations without having them debunked and dismissed with ease. As I said before....you are a funny angry little person....and I find that amusing. as :lies: are not beneath you....but you hate it when you are busted.
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http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

Anyone who takes the Ark story as literal truth is insane.
 
"Anyone who takes the Ark story as literal truth is insane." DI #50
god is the asylum of ignorance: Baruch Spinoza

"I have often thought that theism is the last acceptable prejudice." Sib
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Perhaps Spinoza should have said "religion" instead of "god". But I take the point.
 
sear said:
According to The Holy Bible / Genesis god warned that if one eats of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good an evil "ye shall surely die".

BUT !!

Eve ate.
And instead she was cast out of paradise, and lived long enough to bear two sons, Ken & Mabel, or whatever their names were.
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And then surely died aftet bearing Cain and Abel. Point being?
 
Ralph said:
Another ignorant person. Are you suggesting that EVE is still alive today? Eve purchased "MORALITY" for mankind...after God had given them "immorality" with one rule....don't eat from the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil? Don't believe that conclusion? How about having an apostle of the God Incarnate ...explain it to you,


"Therefore, just as through one man (ADAM...and EVE who was taken from the rib of ADAM and became WoMAN)...sin entered the world, and DEATH THROUGH (because of) SIN....and thus death spread thru all men because all men sin.........." -- Romans 5:12

Another FYI: Eve had more than 2 children, They first multiplied and had Cain, and Able (Gen. 4:1-2)...after Adam lived 130 years they had another son, called Seth.....then the scriptures declare that Adam had a long life spanning some 800 years and in that time period had SONS and DAUGHTERS (Genesis 5:3-4)
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Actually Eve purchased mortality.
 
"Point being?" #52
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The wording in the numerous Bible texts I've reviewed was ~or ye shall surely die
presenting it as a consequence.
So if she was going to die anyway, why did god present it as a consequence? Just a bluff?

Full disclosure:
My Biblical consultant, a J.W., explained that:
- humans were CREATED in god's own image an likeness, AND
- god is immortal, and thus
- Adam & Eve were originally immortal, BUT !!
- because Eve ate, (the original sin?) mankind has been punished with mortality.
I'm aware of that explanation.

BUT !!

I've studied communication at the college level.

"Ye shall surely die" isn't quite as informative as -you will lose your immortality-.

Fact is, I've been looking into the god thing for half a century or more, and so far I have not found a single shred of evidence for it.

But one thing is certain.
With all the religions around, trying to make good on Pascal's Wager is at very most a risky crap-shoot.
"There are 600 distinct religious expressions in the city of Los Angeles alone."
L.A. Times Religion writer Larry Stammer on PBS NewsHour Dec ‘01
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By my math that means, hoping to secure everlasting life in paradise by genuflecting to the right god, with those odds means the risk of guessing the wrong god is over 99.8% you'll get it wrong.
 
Yaya said:
Waaah.
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I don't live there, so I don't really give that much of a fuck. But the idiot rubes that bought into the snake oil bitch's pitch are now going to fork out 7 million or do bucks to make up the difference for a few hundred jobs.

Priceless!
 
PS #54

"Insane" may be amiss.
But surely lacking in scientific analysis, and critical thinking skills. Thus "ignorant", or "uneducated", or perhaps merely "gullible".
But I agree, to a scientist that understands the fundamental uncompressibility of water under ambient terrestrial conditions, simply addressing the issue of where all the water came from, and where did it all go is enough of a roadblock.

The:
so god had all the species stampede toward the arc
idea is amusing, but not viable.
For one it doesn't explain the habitat mismatch.
Rain forest species need moist tropical environments.
What would they have eaten on their inward and outward migrations, and while on the voyage?
Birds might have done it.
What about reptiles? They simply wouldn't live long enough.

And the global layout of continents apparently wasn't known to the Noah's arc author/s*.

* "These [Biblical] books existed in the oral tradition for hundreds of thousands of years. They finally wrote them down in aramaic, later translated into Greek, & then Latin, and finally English, hundreds and hundreds of revisions: and this is supposed to be absolute direct word of God. ... Jesus said love your enemies, Rush Limbaugh heard kill the fags." actor John Fugelsang
 
sear said:
The wording in the numerous Bible texts I've reviewed was ~or ye shall surely die
presenting it as a consequence.
So if she was going to die anyway, why did god present it as a consequence? Just a bluff?

Full disclosure:
My Biblical consultant, a J.W., explained that:
- humans were CREATED in god's own image an likeness, AND
- god is immortal, and thus
- Adam & Eve were originally immortal, BUT !!
- because Eve ate, (the original sin?) mankind has been punished with mortality.
I'm aware of that explanation.

BUT !!

I've studied communication at the college level.

"Ye shall surely die" isn't quite as informative as -you will lose your immortality-.

Fact is, I've been looking into the god thing for half a century or more, and so far I have not found a single shred of evidence for it.

But one thing is certain.
With all the religions around, trying to make good on Pascal's Wager is at very most a risky crap-shoot.

By my math that means, hoping to secure everlasting life in paradise by genuflecting to the right god, with those odds means the risk of guessing the wrong god is over 99.8% you'll get it wrong.
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Pascal fucked up big time and left some options out. (Psst. It's a secret. Don't let the Christians know)
 
Dick from the Internet said:
Even with the dinosaurs?

Do you have a source for the 420 sheep to a rail car claim? Does that include their feed and water supplies?
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Of course I have the source, and why does it matter if that figure includes the feed and water...considering the fact that the ark could hold over 75000 animals of that size in about the cargo space available, leaving the half to store enough food for the 150 day journey of the ark recorded in the Bible...and WATER? Really...water? when it rained f enough to allow the 20ft. draw required by such a great cargo ship?

FYI: the source? The content of the Bible and the numbers provided allow for the extrapolation of a mathematical formula and the structure of an algorithmic projection that proves that..."IT WAS MORE THAN POSSIBLE for the ark to have carried carried the animals as explained in the Bible". To prove that something can not be true....you or anyone would have to prove there is no POSSIBLE way for such a voyage to have taken place.

But...why concern yourself with physical reality of the voyage...why not question the "miraculous" event of the God directing the animals of the earth to Noah over a 120 year period? Because what is impossible to prove is just as impossible to disprove via the attempt to measure that which is beyond the natural..i.e., the SUPER NATURAL by attempting to apply physical law to that which can't be measured by physical law. Unless you carry a super-natural-o-meter in your hip pocket.

But as I always state....I don't claim to have written one word of that record contained in the Bible...and I can no more explain any supernatural event no more than you can disprove that same event....but I can apply science where science can be applied, and science proves that it was very possible for such a vessel to have been constructed and it was possible to carry over 75000 animals, both adult and infant....both alert with some types in a state of natural hibernation. I don't have to prove anything other than the scientific possibility of it happening...when the critics have to prove beyond doubt that it could not have happened...no one can do that, as the prima facie evidence along with the objective evidence considered by the LAW of MATHEMATICS prove the vessel and the holding of its cargo was very possible...and the prima facie evidence concludes that some type event happened, as the globe is filled with ancient cultures that orally speech of such an event before recorded history.

As far as the source for concluding that an average rail care "could" hold over 240 (the 420 was an error of a keystroke in the wrong place...a simple type-o....but the total number of 75000 was correct) grown sheep....again, simply allow math to extrapolate the event from the numbers provided in the Bible....the total volume of the ark with numbers provide (438x73x48ft.) = 1,400,000 cubic feet of cargo space....which equates to about 522 standard size railcars, further extrapolate that 1 rail car would carry about "240" grown sheep....again the 420 was a simple mistake of placing the 4 before the 2 while typing. The rest is based upon the science of Mathematical formulation and projecting those numbers into a correct algorithm.

But...you are free to prove that a standard rail car will not hold 240 sheep....I can tell you that for the purpose of shipping smaller animals other than cattle...a rail car can have several levels....making it very possible to hold the 240 sheep. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_car_(rail)
 
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