California, Weed & Overregulation

Naw, it’s not really too bad. But the same concept applies about the right. Social issues that they deem “evil” are targeted.

I would say it's too bad they didn't mention the federal gov't in the article except they did in the first paragraph
 
Naw, it’s not really too bad. But the same concept applies about the right. Social issues that they deem “evil” are targeted.

Yep. RWers are all about small government until it comes to using government to police what people do in their homes, bedrooms, while off the clock, at their doctors' office, etc. Then government needs A Really Big Stick.
 
Yep. RWers are all about small government until it comes to using government to police what people do in their homes, bedrooms, while off the clock, at their doctors' office, etc. Then government needs A Really Big Stick.
it's the same thing as Islamic Morality Police seen in many countries.

It's repressive, and intolerable in a secular society. Libertarianism is the only way to fly when it comes to morals
 
it's the same thing as Islamic Morality Police seen in many countries.

It's repressive, and intolerable in a secular society. Libertarianism is the only way to fly when it comes to morals

I agree, at least when it comes to the "sin" crap. I am definitely a libertarian on that. I'm pagan, and one precept many of us honor is this: "If it harms none, do as you will." Sounds like a license to behave in a terribly immoral fashion, doesn't it? It really does, until you start to ponder that more fully. One example might be, since we're talking about Demon Weed here, the ethics of toking. I load a bowl and get mellow... not hurting anyone, right? In my current situation, that would be true (although you could argue that I'm harming myself physically since it makes me cough a LOT so unless we have company who want to get social, I refrain).

But if we flashed back 20 years ago when I was still working, had kids at home, it wasn't legal-it-was-a-felony.... would my innocent bowl maybe cause harm? Arrest? Smoke making my kids' lungs hurt? Random drug test, fail, lose job?

The reason we need to have so many laws about don't do this, don't do that, I think is because we're all kinda lazy and it's too hard to think ahead of the ramifications of our actions like in my what-if, above.

What do you think?
 
I agree, at least when it comes to the "sin" crap. I am definitely a libertarian on that. I'm pagan, and one precept many of us honor is this: "If it harms none, do as you will." Sounds like a license to behave in a terribly immoral fashion, doesn't it? It really does, until you start to ponder that more fully. One example might be, since we're talking about Demon Weed here, the ethics of toking. I load a bowl and get mellow... not hurting anyone, right? In my current situation, that would be true (although you could argue that I'm harming myself physically since it makes me cough a LOT so unless we have company who want to get social, I refrain).

But if we flashed back 20 years ago when I was still working, had kids at home, it wasn't legal-it-was-a-felony.... would my innocent bowl maybe cause harm? Arrest? Smoke making my kids' lungs hurt? Random drug test, fail, lose job?

The reason we need to have so many laws about don't do this, don't do that, I think is because we're all kinda lazy and it's too hard to think ahead of the ramifications of our actions like in my what-if, above.

What do you think?
absolutely agree. the concept with drug abuse is so called harm reduction-
but that still assumes drugs being illegal is better then drugs being decriminalized.

It's patently obvious that as bad as addiction is for an individual to deal with,that is at least the individual
struggle.
The crime associated with buying and selling drugs is the real harm,for the individuals effected,
but also society as a whole
 
I agree, at least when it comes to the "sin" crap. I am definitely a libertarian on that. I'm pagan, and one precept many of us honor is this: "If it harms none, do as you will." Sounds like a license to behave in a terribly immoral fashion, doesn't it? It really does, until you start to ponder that more fully. One example might be, since we're talking about Demon Weed here, the ethics of toking. I load a bowl and get mellow... not hurting anyone, right? In my current situation, that would be true (although you could argue that I'm harming myself physically since it makes me cough a LOT so unless we have company who want to get social, I refrain).

But if we flashed back 20 years ago when I was still working, had kids at home, it wasn't legal-it-was-a-felony.... would my innocent bowl maybe cause harm? Arrest? Smoke making my kids' lungs hurt? Random drug test, fail, lose job?

The reason we need to have so many laws about don't do this, don't do that, I think is because we're all kinda lazy and it's too hard to think ahead of the ramifications of our actions like in my what-if, above.

What do you think?

We’re on the same page. There’s a time and place for everything. And they change with changing life stages.
 
"The reason we need to have so many laws about don't do this, don't do that, I think is because we're all kinda lazy and it's too hard to think ahead of the ramifications of our actions like in my what-if, above.

What do you think?" TW #48
You address the issue of control.

Problem is:
Drug War undertakes to substitute for self-control external martial oppression.
But self-control is all ways better.

a) Good judgment comes from bad experience, and a lot of that comes of bad judgment.

The reason I don't drink too much Saturday night is I don't want to have to sit through Sunday's sermon with a headache.
The principle of Drug War is precisely backward.

b) "I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of society but the people themselves, and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion." Thomas Jefferson

The consequence of all this, the infantalization of the nation, is that step-ladders have so many safety stickers it's tough to find a place to step,
and electric hair driers have stickers against using them in the shower.

I'm definitely with Jefferson on this one. What is in all likelihood well intended martial oppression is almost certainly making matters worse, not better.
 
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