California, Weed & Overregulation

Many people on this board smoke weed and many people have argued against the drug war and for more liberal laws on drugs, especially MJ. Here we have a chance to do something about it in California and we see what the response has been so far.

Who do you think creates the environment/rules that allow lawsuits to run rampant? The state legislature and Governor. You can't let legislatures off the hook for what they have caused.


And yes, it is always a GREAT day to curb stomp the boys from up North! (Maybe I'm too old fashion but I have to say I was not a fan of the uniforms. It almost didn't feel like a tOSU-UM game with our boys wearing those things.)

Yea I wasn’t to fond of the uniforms either but I’ll take the win. I’ll be in Indy next week to watch us stomp the cheeseheads.

I think you missed my point. The cause of over regulation in California is being driven by law suits from the California business community. Don’t want to much regulation? Then convince your local business community to stop filing law suits against anything and everything that moves.

The data is there dude, it’s not political ideology that drives excessive regulation but excessive litigation of which the vast majority of which is litigated by corporations and not greedy ambulance chasing PI lawyers or liberal politicians.
 
Mott, where are you getting this idea that's it's businesses that are filing all the lawsuits in the state? Same question to you Cypress since you liked his post.


California’s litigious climate

California’s litigation climate remains one of the worst in the country. The state came in second in this year’s “Judicial Hellholes” report by the American Tort Reform Foundation.
California has topped the list for three of the past five years, coming in second the rest of the time, being dethroned only due to exceptional corruption in New York City’s asbestos courts in 2014 and this year by St. Louis courts for their lax approach to junk science.

Ranked second this year is perennial hellhole California, where lawmakers, prosecutors and plaintiff-friendly judges inexorably expand civil liability and thus invite the nearly 1 million new lawsuits filed there each year,” explained ATRF president Tiger Joyce. “Of course, the politically influential personal injury bar is enriched by such litigiousness, even as tightened state budgets make it increasingly difficult for state courts to keep up with the volume.”

The report notes that since 2010, the state has approved an average of 827 new laws every year, approving 893 new laws in 2016. While at least one of these laws is helpful — Senate Bill 269, which gives small business owners a chance to fix technical violations of the Americans with Disabilities Act before being subject to penalties or lawsuits, was signed into law in May — many more laws will only aggravate the state’s reputation for encouraging lawsuits, including new environmental laws and regulations.

As a state that routinely welcomed out-of-state plaintiffs and lawsuits over any minor issue, this tendency to enact increasing numbers of laws results in a clogged court system and dissuades many businesses from opening shop in California.

The report cites, for example, a class action lawsuit over complaints that “evaporated cane sugar” on soda labels is actually sugar. “Had they known ‘evaporated cane juice’ was the same thing as added sugar or syrup, Plaintiffs would not have purchased Defendant’s food products,” the court filing explained.

Fortunately, there are some glimmers of reason. In August, U.S. District Court Judge Percy Anderson of the Central District of California dismissed a lawsuit alleging Starbucks “systematically defrauds its customers by advertising its cold drinks as containing more liquid than they do by ‘underfilling’ its cups with liquid and then adding ice to make the cups appear full.”

Naturally, the report notes the litany of unintended consequences stemming from the California Environmental Quality Act, which is routinely invoked by NIMBYs to “bludgeon” projects they don’t agree with or which are perceived threats to wealthy plaintiffs’ property values or business interests. Targets of CEQA lawsuits are often taxpayer-funded projects, while housing developments are the most targeted privately funded target.

According to a study by law firm Holland & Knight, most plaintiffs in CEQA cases have no track record of environmental advocacy prior to filing their lawsuits, with only 13 percent of CEQA petitioners being recognized state and national environmental groups.

Ending on a positive note, the ATRF report celebrated the April federal court ruling blocking Attorney General Kamala Harris’ demand that the Americans For Prosperity Foundation disclose the names of its donors, noting that such a requirement would have a chilling effect on free speech.

Alas, it’s a difficult state of affairs in California, one that will need to be continually challenged for the sake of common sense and economic competitiveness.


http://www.dailynews.com/2016/12/27/californias-litigious-climate/
oh for God’s sake Wacko you can do better than citing a website that advocates tort reform. How about data from an objective source like the Nexis-Lexis source I cited?
 
oh for God’s sake Wacko you can do better than citing a website that advocates tort reform. How about data from an objective source like the Nexis-Lexis source I cited?
Your site said nothing about who was filing the suits nor did it say the legislature wasn't responsible
 
oh for God’s sake Wacko you can do better than citing a website that advocates tort reform. How about data from an objective source like the Nexis-Lexis source I cited?

And Mott, it's the businesses that get sued out here. They aren't the ones doing all the suing. It's why your article said we have such a bad business climate and it's true
 
Mott, take CEQA. Do you know how many lawsuits are filed by individuals, groups etc. using CEQA to stop development? This is way over the top environmental legislation that has been distorted in its use. Who passed CEQA? California politicians. Who won't change CEQA even though they know it is being abused? California politicians.

and yet, the very citizens of california keep electing those very same politicians.......so who really is to blame? it's the same on a federal level as well. we all know that our current crop of legislators are not going to do anything different, but the extreme paranoid fear that our 'enemies' are going to destroy the very universe we live in if they are elected keeps y'all voting for the same politician over and over and over and over again.
 
And Mott, it's the businesses that get sued out here. They aren't the ones doing all the suing. It's why your article said we have such a bad business climate and it's true

Open hunting season on all lawyers, shoot on site permissible, and use their carcasses to feed the homeless. Christ on a crutch am I the only one that sees this obvious answer?
 
Just to emphasize my point the litigious corporate legal environment in California is a far greater driver of excessive regulation in California than State House politics are (i.e. don’t confuse cause with effect). So my heart pumps piss for California businesses who bitch about California being over regulated as it is the overly litigious California business community that is largely responsible for over regulation in California and not liberal politicians.

https://www.lexisnexis.com/legalnew...tes-shows-most-litigious.aspx?Redirected=true

Feel free to jump in here as well Cypress. CEQA is an environmental law passed by the legislature. Businesses aren't suing over this.



Holland & Knight Study Uncovers Widespread CEQA Litigation Abuse

Law firm Holland & Knight today released the first comprehensive study of lawsuits filed under the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA), systematically reporting on widespread abuse that undermines the state's environmental, social equity and economic priorities. The study, "In the Name of the Environment," analyzes all CEQA lawsuits filed in California over a three-year period and recommends reforms to rein in CEQA litigation abuse by extending transparency mandates to CEQA lawsuits, eliminating duplicative CEQA lawsuits for the same plan or project, and aligning extraordinary judicial remedies such as injunctions with conventional civil litigation practice.

Among the key findings:CEQA is not a battle between business and environmental advocacy groups: 49 percent of all CEQA lawsuits target taxpayer-funded projects with no business or other private sector sponsors. The most frequent targets of CEQA litigation are projects designed to advance California's environmental policy objectives.

CEQA's most frequently targeted public infrastructure project: transit. CEQA's most frequently targeted industrial/utility project: renewable energy. CEQA's most frequently targeted private sector project: housing – with the most frequently challenged type of housing project being higher density urban projects such as transit-oriented development and multifamily (including affordable) housing.

Despite claims by special interests that defend CEQA litigation by contending that it combats urban sprawl, 80 percent of CEQA lawsuits target infill projects in established communities rather than greenfield projects on undeveloped or agricultural lands outside established communities. CEQA litigation is overwhelmingly used in cities. Special interest CEQA lawsuits often target core urban services such as parks, schools, libraries and even senior housing. Sixty-four percent of the petitioners filing CEQA lawsuits are either individuals or local "associations" that often have no prior track record of environmental advocacy.

By contrast, recognized state and national environmental advocacy groups comprise only 13 percent of CEQA petitioners. CEQA litigation abuse is primarily the domain of Not In My Backyard (NIMBY) opponents and anonymous new unincorporated entities, including those using CEQA litigation tactics to gain leverage against business competitors, negotiate union agreements, or stop neighborhood-scale changes required to meet new state mandates such as greenhouse gas reductions or improve critical local services and facilities such as schools and parks.

Read the full complimentary report."CEQA has been singled out as one of the key causes of runaway housing prices and as a major reason California has fallen far behind other states in creating, retaining and onshoring the middle-class manufacturing jobs that have helped create a manufacturing renaissance in other states," said Jennifer Hernandez, the head of Holland & Knight's West Coast Land Use and Environment Group and lead author of the study.

"Ending CEQA litigation abuse is the most cost-effective 'incentive' available to restore California's middle-class job base and make housing more affordable, assure that taxpayer funds are spent on projects not process, and meaningfully improve the future of the nearly nine million Californians whom the U.S. Census Bureau reported were living in poverty.""CEQA litigation abuse is real, it is harming people – especially the poor, the working class and the young – and it is hindering rather than advancing critical environmental priorities," Ms. Hernandez continued. "Of greatest concern at a policy and political level, CEQA litigation abuse allows polite, passionate neighbors to oppose change in the name of the 'environment' even when such change is required to address critical environmental priorities such as climate change. CEQA litigation abuse also allows parties seeking to advance non-environmental objectives to anonymously sue – again in the name of the 'environment' – to gain leverage against competitors, employers and taxpayers."

The study recommends three reforms to curtail CEQA litigation abuse: Requiring those filing CEQA lawsuits to disclose their identity and environmental (or non-environmental) interests. Eliminating duplicative lawsuits aimed at derailing plans and projects that have already completed the CEQA process. Preserving CEQA's existing environmental review and public comment requirements, as well as access to litigation remedies for environmental purposes – but restricting judicial invalidation of project approvals to those projects that would harm public health, destroy irreplaceable tribal resources or threaten the ecology.It concludes that these moderate reforms will end lawsuit abuse and return CEQA to its mission of protecting the environment and public health, informing and involving the public, and assuring transparency and accountability for agency decisions that affect the environment.



https://www.hklaw.com/news/holland-...-widespread-ceqa-litigation-abuse-08-04-2015/
 
@ post 28.

That is where you are wrong Cawacko.

CEQA is used by business, environmental groups, and citizens all the time to sue each other and to sue the state government. All the time.

CEQA was a law intended to place constraints and obligations on the government and on public entities, and to provide the public - including businesses and corporations - a big say in how government funded infrastructure and programmatic projects are implemented.
 
They probably see the heavy handedness of the Trump administration and the sanctuary cities. Perhaps the right’s stand on abortion, as well.

Taxes and regulation would take second place to jail if I were thinking about that business venture.
 
@ post 28.

That is where you are wrong Cawacko.

CEQA is used by business, environmental groups, and citizens all the time to sue each other and to sue the state government. All the time.

CEQA was a law intended to place constraints and obligations on the government and on public entities, and to provide the public - including businesses and corporations - a big say in how government funded infrastructure and programmatic projects are implemented.

Do you have any examples of businesses that sue using CEQA?
 
They probably see the heavy handedness of the Trump administration and the sanctuary cities. Perhaps the right’s stand on abortion, as well.

Taxes and regulation would take second place to jail if I were thinking about that business venture.

Weed growers are afraid to do it legally in California because of abortion laws? How does that work?
 
Do you have any examples of businesses that sue using CEQA?

Yep, I see it and deal with it all the time.
But I am not going to write about my professional work here, daddy-o.

What is CEQA?

CEQA, or the California Environmental Quality Act, is a statute that requires state and local agencies to identify the significant environmental impacts of their actions and to avoid or mitigate those impacts, if feasible.

http://resources.ca.gov/ceqa/more/faq.html

If business', corporations, or environmental groups even get a whiff that public entities, local governments, and state agencies did not comply with CEQA, they will sue in a heart beat if they view it in their best interest.
 
Yep, I see it and deal with it all the time.
But I am not going to write about my professional work here, daddy-o.



If business', corporations, or environmental groups even get a whiff that public entities, local governments, and state agencies did not comply with CEQA, they will sue in a heart beat if they view it in their best interest.

Give me a 30K ft view. What type of businesses are suing?
 
I would imagine the fear of jail could be a motivator for some to want to do it legally but I don't know how prevalent that fear is (or if it even exists at all)
The Feds have been fighting the legal market since medical marijuana first became legal in California. Now, 95% of the 'medical' marijuana was a scam, so some crackdown was acceptable.

But...from day one, the Feds wouldn't let the banks do business with the dispensaries. Obama eventually relaxed those laws, but the IRS has never backed down from their heinous tax laws re. the pot industry.


Truth is, there was never a shortage of good weed in this country, and there never will be. Legal weed is more expensive than illegal weed. We're going to see a return to the black market dominating again.
 
Weed growers are afraid to do it legally in California because of abortion laws? How does that work?

The right’s tendency to wade in and restrict things on social issues they don’t like. Sanctuary cities, abortion, drugs, gay marriage, voting issues, etc
 
The right’s tendency to wade in and restrict things on social issues they don’t like. Sanctuary cities, abortion, drugs, gay marriage, voting issues, etc

Ok. It's too bad the authors left out abortion for why some California growers don't want to do it legally
 
You would think the government would want the mountain of tax money Marijuana can bring in.

I think that's the problem. They want it so badly they're poised to kill the goose who's laying the golden eggs. My husband was saying that in Colorado, for instance, the taxes have priced a lot of recreational users out so ppl are back to sneakily growing their own like in the bad old days.
 
Ok. It's too bad the authors left out abortion for why some California growers don't want to do it legally

Naw, it’s not really too bad. But the same concept applies about the right. Social issues that they deem “evil” are targeted.
 
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