California minimum wage hike hits L.A. apparel industry: 'The exodus has begun'

ZappasGuitar said:
Once some actual numbers come in to back their claims, I have no problem with talking about the repercussions.

Right now though, all their fretting over "jobs lost" is nothing but empty speculation.

IOW...fear mongering.
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Empty speculation? So we can't look at reports put out by the government or economists on what its effects will be?

For example one doesn't need a PhD in econonics to know that not building enough housing to meet demand in places like San Francisco is going to cause prices to rise. I can tell you that up front. That's not fear mongering or empty speculation.

Same thing here. If raising the minimum wage had no negative repercussions we would raise it to $20, $30 or even more. There are trade offs. Again that's not fear mongering.
 
cawacko said:
Empty speculation? So we can't look at reports put out by the government or economists on what its effects will be?

For example one doesn't need a PhD in econonics to know that not building enough housing to meet demand in places like San Francisco is going to cause prices to rise. I can tell you that up front. That's not fear mongering or empty speculation.

Same thing here. If raising the minimum wage had no negative repercussions we would raise it to $20, $30 or even more. There are trade offs. Again that's not fear mongering.
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But you know better than to waist your time looking for some actual factual reports on it!
 
cawacko said:
It's not fear mongering my man to talk about the very real repercussions of the government's actions here. It's econonic ignorance to think raising the rate will have no (negative) effect. Now if you are ok with the results that's one thing but claiming its fear mongering to point them out and discuss them is being blind to economic realities.

And making it harder for poor people to get jobs isn't helping them.
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You really don't expect Zippherhead to discuss anything honestly do you? That is t his style.

Now we will be treated to his "ILA talks about me but not to me" rant. I know him better than he knows himself. He won't disappoint me
 
I Love America said:
You can't google it yourself? I know you don't know the meaning of the word IF so I would not be surprised.
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I can, and I did, but I'm not the one scare-mongering. The OP is.

I located 16 companies with that NAICS code in the entire state of California.

http://www.caltrade.com/directory/fashion/apparel/

So it appears that there aren't many, which means very few would "leave" LA because of a minimum wage hike.

Thanks for admitting this was speculative fear-mongering based on an invalid presumption.
 
Yang Wenli said:
They really all started leaving because of an effective 15%-20% raise in wages over a period of 8 years?
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Yes, they did.

In the last decade, local apparel manufacturing has already thinned significantly. Last year, Los Angeles County was home to 2,128 garment makers, down 33% from 2005, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data.
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What happened in 2006? Oh, the minimum wage increased.

In India the minimum wage is $0.28/hour......good luck competing against that.
 
Legion Troll said:
I can, and I did, but I'm not the one scare-mongering. The OP is.

I located 16 companies with that NAICS code in the entire state of California.

http://www.caltrade.com/directory/fashion/apparel/

So it appears that there aren't many, which means very few would "leave" LA because of a minimum wage hike.

Thanks for admitting this was speculative fear-mongering based on an invalid presumption.
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Well if it is only a "few" I guess it doesn't matter huh cupcake?

I guess you are one of those who doesn't think $1 billion isn't a lot of money since it is a small percentage of the federal budget?

You really are Deshtard stupid
 
I Love America said:
Well if it is only a "few" I guess it doesn't matter huh cupcake? I guess you are one of those who doesn't think $1 billion isn't a lot of money since it is a small percentage of the federal budget? You really are Deshtard stupid
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There hasn't been much of an American apparel manufacturing business in decades.

At the end of World War II, the U.S. was home to the world’s largest domestic garment making industry, yet today U.S. domestic production accounts for less than 3% of retail sales.

No other country in the world imports 97+% of its garments.

Consider this: The 27 countries of the EU is collectively the worlds largest garment consumer.

The EU is also a region where wages are at least comparable to U.S. wages; where working conditions are far better than those in Los Angeles and New York Citys' Chinatown district; and where unions are far more powerful than in the U.S.

Despite the high wages, good working conditions and strong organized labor movement, the garment industries in the EU countries not only survive, but intra-EU imports accounts for 47% of all EU garment imports (not even including consumption of domestic production)

Compare that with 3% for the U.S.

http://www.birnbaumgarment.com/2012/08/20/the-decline-of-the-u-s-garment-industry/

Poor ILA.
 
cawacko said:
Empty speculation? So we can't look at reports put out by the government or economists on what its effects will be?

For example one doesn't need a PhD in econonics to know that not building enough housing to meet demand in places like San Francisco is going to cause prices to rise. I can tell you that up front. That's not fear mongering or empty speculation.

Same thing here. If raising the minimum wage had no negative repercussions we would raise it to $20, $30 or even more. There are trade offs. Again that's not fear mongering.
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ROFL!

Yes, empty speculation.

We can look at reports put out by the Government and economists and SPECULATE on what it's effects MIGHT be.

Can you see into the future?

No??

Then you can't know for certain what it's effects WILL be, therefore you can only SPECULATE on what those effects MIGHT be and wait for corroboration.
 
'The exodus has begun' :rofl2:

The exodus began a long, long time ago.

To pretend it's something new that was caused by a law that hasn't even taken effect yet is absurd.
 
Legion Troll said:
'The exodus has begun' :rofl2:

The exodus began a long, long time ago.

To pretend it's something new that was caused by a law that hasn't even taken effect yet is absurd.
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The OP says exactly that, but don't expect partisan Righties to stick to the facts in situations where they might be able to bash Obama.

RockX said:
In the last decade, local apparel manufacturing has already thinned significantly. Last year, Los Angeles County was home to 2,128 garment makers, down 33% from 2005, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. During that period, employment also plunged by a third, to 40,500 workers. Wages, meanwhile, jumped 17% adjusting for inflation, to $698 per week — although that can include pay for top executives, as well as bonuses, tips and paid vacation time.

In the 1990s, as borders opened up, foreign competitors began snatching up business from Southland garment factories.

Eventually, many big brands opted to leave the region in favor of cheaper locales. Guess Jeans, which epitomized a sexy California look, moved production to Mexico and South America. Just a few years ago, premium
denim maker Hudson Jeans began shifting manufacturing to Mexico
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Right there in the OP...

The apparel manufacturing business had begun thinning in the 1990's

It's been going on for DECADES and had NOTHING to do with $15 dollar an hour minimum wage.
 
Higher profits by taking advantage of cheap labor and lax government regulations offshore benefit the manufacturer, yet Righties pretend that low wages and poor working conditions are somehow desirable.

Low prices for mass-market apparel made in Asia are all the average American is willing to pay.

Add in the profit-sheltering schemes that our government allows, and it's no wonder we're a nation of consumers instead of producers.

How many Righties would be willing to work in a sweatshop 12 hours a day for piecework wages?

Yet they blame the unions and their own government for eliminating the conditions they wouldn't tolerate themselves.

Hypocrites.
 
So we have an industry that has been in decline and new legislation has been passed that will likely hurt it even more. But it's fear mongering and empty speculation, along with dislike/hating of the poor, to discuss it. Makes total sense.
 
cawacko said:
So we have an industry that has been in decline and new legislation has been passed that will likely hurt it even more. But it's fear mongering and empty speculation, along with dislike/hating of the poor, to discuss it. Makes total sense.
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Let me know when you're willing to work for Asian wages under Asian conditions, or pay American prices for clothing produced in the USA by American workers making wages you'd work for in conditions that you'd tolerate.

I'll understand if you do neither.
 
RockX said:
Let the market decide what the wage should be...not the government.
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The market decided Asian prices are better.

Let me know when you're willing to work for Asian wages under Asian working conditions.

I'll understand if you don't.
 
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