California becomes 'sanctuary state' in rebuke of Trump immigration policy

Dumbfuck is the descriptor, dumbfuck. You can scream "law" vs civil rights all you want, dumbfuck. But the issue is settled, dumbfuck, as to equal treatment.

Dumbfuck

Althea said states violated FEDERAL LAW Moron. She said Red states violate gays federal laws all the time. So I asked which federal laws? and what was violated. This TRIGGERED you! You are a snowflake and you get triggered easily by tough questions and critical thinking. I am sorry your IQ is only 76, and you can't read or form articulable sentences.

All you can say are ad homines. You must lead a sad life.
 
Althea said states violated FEDERAL LAW Moron. She said Red states violate gays federal laws all the time. So I asked which federal laws? and what was violated. This TRIGGERED you! You are a snowflake and you get triggered easily by tough questions and critical thinking. I am sorry your IQ is only 76, and you can't read or form articulable sentences.

All you can say are ad homines. You must lead a sad life.

I guess I should apologize to Domer, for implying he was stupid; because I thought he already knew and now it looks like those close to him were keeping it a secret. :D
 
Althea said states violated FEDERAL LAW Moron. She said Red states violate gays federal laws all the time. So I asked which federal laws? and what was violated. This TRIGGERED you! You are a snowflake and you get triggered easily by tough questions and critical thinking. I am sorry your IQ is only 76, and you can't read or form articulable sentences.

All you can say are ad homines. You must lead a sad life.

Good for Althea.

I'm merely referring to the CIVIL rights that you fucking redneck states violated when it came to gays. Now, the 14th Amendment is taking care of that, asshole.

Don't you grow weary of me kicking your ass on every issue, shitstain?
Squawk! TRIGGERED!

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you need to flesh out your arguments to a bit more then Oracle speak. ( because you say so)

we are talking about honoring an ICE detainer. I'm not clear about you are speaking about
Perhaps you should read the article in the OP?
 
silly domer.....the law doesn't require states to perform the duties that the federal government is responsible for......the law requires states to do what the federal law ORDERS them to do.......
 
silly domer.....the law doesn't require states to perform the duties that the federal government is responsible for......the law requires states to do what the federal law ORDERS them to do.......

Here's what the federal law says regarding immigration, fucktard. Find where it says the Feds can ORDER them to do anything.


Express Authorization for State and Local Law Enforcement Officers to Enforce Immigration Law

The INA contains three provisions that explicitly authorize state and local police to enforce federal immigration laws (8 USC §§ 1357(g), 1103(a)(8), and 1253c. The following is taken directly from the March 11, 2004 CRS report on the ability of state and local police to enforce the INA (copy enclosed).

8 USC § 1357(g)

USC § 1357(g) authorizes the U.S. attorney general to enter into a written agreement with a state or municipality pursuant to which a state or municipal officer or employee, who the attorney general determines to be qualified to perform a function of an immigration officer in relation to the investigation, apprehension, or detention of aliens in the United States may carry out such function at the state's or municipality's expense as long as it is consistent with state and local law.

Section 1357(g) permits state and local entities to tailor an agreement with the attorney general to meet local needs. The written agreement must specify the powers and duties that may or must be performed, and the duration of the authority. The entities must know and follow federal law governing immigration officers and must receive adequate training regarding the enforcement of immigration laws. The U.S. attorney general must direct and supervise the officers performing immigration functions under this law. Such officers are not federal employees except for certain tort claims and compensation matters, but they do enjoy federal immunity.

8 USC § 1103(a)(8)

Under 8 USC § 1103(a)(8), state and local officers may exercise the civil or criminal arrest powers of federal immigration officers (1) when expressly authorized by the U.S. attorney general; (2) when given consent by the head of the state or local law enforcement agency; and (3) the attorney general determination of an emergency exists because of a mass influx of aliens. This authority can be exercised only during the emergency situation. The attorney general can shorten or waive the otherwise normally required training requirements when necessary to protect public safety, public health, or national security.

8 USC §1252c


8 USC § 1252c authorizes state and local officers to arrest aliens who have presumably violated § 276 of the INA (Reentry of Removed Alien). Under § 1252c, state and local law enforcement officials can arrest and detain anyone who:

1. is an alien illegally present in the United States and

2. has previously been convicted of a felony in the United States and deported or left the United States after such conviction, but only after the state or local law enforcement officials obtain appropriate confirmation from INS of his status and only for as long as may be required for INS to take the individual into Federal custody for purposes of deporting or removing him from the United States.
 
silly domer.....the law doesn't require states to perform the duties that the federal government is responsible for......the law requires states to do what the federal law ORDERS them to do.......

Maybe every time a bank is robbed, in California; the FBI just puts it on a back burner and get to it, when they can!!

:evilnod:
 
it shields criminal illegals

That statement is redundant.

It doesn't shield immigrants who commit any of a long list of crimes.

you need to flesh out your arguments to a bit more then Oracle speak. ( because you say so)

we are talking about honoring an ICE detainer. I'm not clear about you are speaking about

so you are against cooperative law enforcement?

Perhaps you should read the article in the OP?

Truly I'm confused on this conversation. Is it worth reiteration?
Your confusion stems from your refusal to read the OP. Granted, the font is small, and the paragraph structure is hard to view. So at least do yourself a favor and read the last paragraph.

Start here:

The new law
will largely prohibit state and local law enforcement
agencies from using either personnel or funds to hold, question or share information about people with federal immigration agents unless those individuals have been convicted of one or more offenses from a list of 800 crimes
outlined in a 2013 state law
.
 
Here's what the federal law says regarding immigration, fucktard. Find where it says the Feds can ORDER them to do anything.


Express Authorization for State and Local Law Enforcement Officers to Enforce Immigration Law

The INA contains three provisions that explicitly authorize state and local police to enforce federal immigration laws (8 USC §§ 1357(g), 1103(a)(8), and 1253c. The following is taken directly from the March 11, 2004 CRS report on the ability of state and local police to enforce the INA (copy enclosed).

8 USC § 1357(g)

USC § 1357(g) authorizes the U.S. attorney general to enter into a written agreement with a state or municipality pursuant to which a state or municipal officer or employee, who the attorney general determines to be qualified to perform a function of an immigration officer in relation to the investigation, apprehension, or detention of aliens in the United States may carry out such function at the state's or municipality's expense as long as it is consistent with state and local law.

Section 1357(g) permits state and local entities to tailor an agreement with the attorney general to meet local needs. The written agreement must specify the powers and duties that may or must be performed, and the duration of the authority. The entities must know and follow federal law governing immigration officers and must receive adequate training regarding the enforcement of immigration laws. The U.S. attorney general must direct and supervise the officers performing immigration functions under this law. Such officers are not federal employees except for certain tort claims and compensation matters, but they do enjoy federal immunity.

8 USC § 1103(a)(8)

Under 8 USC § 1103(a)(8), state and local officers may exercise the civil or criminal arrest powers of federal immigration officers (1) when expressly authorized by the U.S. attorney general; (2) when given consent by the head of the state or local law enforcement agency; and (3) the attorney general determination of an emergency exists because of a mass influx of aliens. This authority can be exercised only during the emergency situation. The attorney general can shorten or waive the otherwise normally required training requirements when necessary to protect public safety, public health, or national security.

8 USC §1252c


8 USC § 1252c authorizes state and local officers to arrest aliens who have presumably violated § 276 of the INA (Reentry of Removed Alien). Under § 1252c, state and local law enforcement officials can arrest and detain anyone who:

1. is an alien illegally present in the United States and

2. has previously been convicted of a felony in the United States and deported or left the United States after such conviction, but only after the state or local law enforcement officials obtain appropriate confirmation from INS of his status and only for as long as may be required for INS to take the individual into Federal custody for purposes of deporting or removing him from the United States.
There you go again...introducing facts into these discussions.

When will you learn?
 
Your confusion stems from your refusal to read the OP. Granted, the font is small, and the paragraph structure is hard to view. So at least do yourself a favor and read the last paragraph.

Start here:

The new law
will largely prohibit state and local law enforcement
agencies from using either personnel or funds to hold, question or share information about people with federal immigration agents unless those individuals have been convicted of one or more offenses from a list of 800 crimes
outlined in a 2013 state law
.

good lord..did you read this?
How California's Trust Act shaped the debate on the new 'sanctuary state' proposal
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-...ary-state-immigration-20170910-htmlstory.html
I'm still on my first cup of coffee, but I've never seen such a bunch of confusion to dodge ICE detainers?

Why not just cooperate ( although the idea of putting a time limit on a detainer is valid, so locals do not over-hold)

It's clear (illegal) immigrants are driving the agenda, instead of illegals simply being subject to immigrtion law.
The argument
Police and immigration officials working closely together created a chilling effect, they said, making immigrant crime victims and witnesses reluctant to come forward.
is saying illegal activity should be shielded to comply with immigration advocates demands.

Just follow federalism -problem solved, instead of using arcane federalism for these carve outs
 
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good lord..did you read this?
How California's Trust Act shaped the debate on the new 'sanctuary state' proposal
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-...ary-state-immigration-20170910-htmlstory.html
'Good lord'....have you? I give up. If you aren't going to prepare your arguments by actually reading the OP, or your own links, I can't waste any more time.

But Gov. Jerry Brown has been in talks with elected county sheriffs over possible changes to the bill, SB 54, after expressing reservations about signing the legislation should it come to his desk, telling NBC’s “Meet the Press” that some people here illegally who have committed crimes “have no business being in the country.”
 
'Good lord'....have you? I give up. If you aren't going to prepare your arguments by actually reading the OP, or your own links, I can't waste any more time.

But Gov. Jerry Brown has been in talks with elected county sheriffs over possible changes to the bill, SB 54, after expressing reservations about signing the legislation should it come to his desk, telling NBC’s “Meet the Press” that some people here illegally who have committed crimes “have no business being in the country.”
i'm not going to do a simple redact. I read the SOURCES behind the OP- it's convoluted nonsense-manufactured dodges
to avoid simple compliance with ICE.

I sincerely hope SCOTUS rules on this patchwork insanity. The best ruling would be the states enter into a contract to receive federal funds.

California/the 9th/the entire west coast is bending itself into legal pretzels to avoid simple compliance
 
California becomes 'sanctuary state' in rebuke of Trump immigration policy


[FONT=&quot]nder threat of possible retaliation by the Trump administration, Gov. Jerry Brown signed landmark “sanctuary state” legislation Thursday, vastly limiting who state and local law enforcement agencies can hold, question and transfer at the request of federal immigration authorities.
Senate Bill 54, which takes effect in January, has been blasted as “unconscionable” by U.S. Atty. Gen. Jeff Sessions, becoming the focus of a national debate over how far states and cities can go to prevent their officers from enforcing federal immigration laws. Supporters have hailed it as part of a broader effort by majority Democrats in the California Legislature to shield more than 2.3 million immigrants living illegally in the state.
Brown took the unusual step of writing a signing message in support of SB 54. He called the legislation a balanced measure that would allow police and sheriff’s agencies to continue targeting dangerous criminals, while protecting hardworking families without legal residency in the country.
“In enshrining these new protections, it is important to note what the bill does not do,” Brown wrote. “This bill does not prevent or prohibit Immigration and Customs Enforcement or the Department of Homeland Security from doing their own work in any way.”
Legal experts have said federal officials may try to block the law in court to keep it from being implemented. Some doubt such challenges would be successful, pointing to the 10th Amendment and previous rulings in which courts have found the federal government can’t compel local authorities to enforce federal laws.
On Thursday, Department of Justice spokesman Devin O’Malley declined to comment on the agency’s next move. Asked whether the administration would attempt to block the state law, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said that federal officials “are spending every day we can trying to find the best way forward.”
“The president will be laying out his responsible immigration plan over the next week,” she said. “And I hope that California will push back on their governor’s, I think, irresponsible decision moving forward.”
Trump’s immigration chief blasted the sanctuary state law Friday, saying it would keep federal officers from performing their jobs and result in more arrests.
In a statement, Thomas Homan, acting director of U.S. Immigration and Enforcement, said his agency “would have no choice but to conduct at-large arrests in local neighborhoods and at worksites.”
Brown’s decision comes as local and state governments are locked in legal battles with Sessions over his move to slash federal grant funding from “sanctuary jurisdictions,” where city and county agencies are limited when working with federal immigration officials. A Chicago federal judge largely blocked Sessions’ effort just hours before SB 54 cleared the Legislature on Sept. 16.
Other federal officials also have sounded off against SB 54, suggesting illegal immigration is tied to increases in violent crime.
Throughout his campaign and in his tenure as president, Trump has tried to make the same connection, showcasing the relatives of people killed by immigrants in the country illegally. One of his earliest executive orders put cities and counties on alert that they would lose federal funding if law enforcement did not cooperate with immigration agents.
The move has struck a bitter chord in California, home to at least 35 cities that have embraced the “sanctuary” label, and where Brown and Democratic lawmakers have passed legislation to extend financial aid, healthcare and driver’s licenses to thousands of immigrants here illegally. Other bills signed by Brown on Thursday would prevent some cities and counties from adding beds to immigrant detention centers, and would extend protections for immigrant workers and tenants.
In some places, the “sanctuary city” name is largely a symbolic message of political support for immigrants without legal residency. But other cities, most notably San Francisco and most recently Los Angeles, have cut ties with federal immigration officials and sought to build up social services for families, including city-funded legal aid.
The bill’s author, Senate President Pro Tem Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles), has countered that the state law is defensible in court and will send a strong message against new federal policies that he argues have pushed some families further into the shadows. Research has shown sanctuary cities have lower crime rates and that immigrants generally commitfewer crimes than U.S. citizens.
De León joined Assemblyman Miguel Santiago (D-Los Angeles) and immigrant rights advocates at a news conference in Los Angeles on Thursday, saying the new law would put a kink in Trump’s “perverse and inhumane deportation machine.”
“California is building a wall of justice against President Trump’s xenophobic, racist and ignorant immigration policies,” he said to chants of “Sí se pudo,” or “Yes, we could” from the crowd.
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Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon (D-Paramount), center, and Democratic lawmakers discuss proposed measures to protect immigrants during a December 2016 news conference in Sacramento. (Rich Pedroncelli / Associated Press)



The final language of the new law was the result of months of tough negotiations between Brown, De León and law enforcement officials. It was the centerpiece of this year’s legislative proposals in Sacramento that sought to challenge Trump’s stance on illegal immigration and provide protections for families amid his threats of mass deportations.
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[FONT=&quot]The new law will largely prohibit state and local law enforcement agencies from using either personnel or funds to hold, question or share information about people with federal immigration agents unless those individuals have been convicted of one or more offenses from a list of 800 crimes outlined in a 2013 state law.
Federal immigration authorities will still be able to work with state corrections officials — a key concession Brown had demanded — and will be able to enter county jails to question immigrants. But the state attorney general’s office will be required to publish guidelines and training recommendations to limit immigration agents' access to personal information. And all law enforcement agencies will have to produce annual reports on their participation in task forces that involve federal agencies, as well as on the people they transfer to immigration authorities.
The new law doesn’t specify what happens if local law enforcement agencies don’t comply with the new rules. But the attorney general has broad authority under the state Constitution to prosecute police and sheriff’s agencies that don’t comply.
In a statement released Thursday, Becerra applauded the enactment of the SB 54, saying he stood “ready to fully defend the law."

http://documents.latimes.com/la-brown-signing-sanctuary-state/

For many officers across the state, the expanded restrictions won’t change much. Some police and sheriff’s agencies already have developed similar boundaries against working with immigration agents, either through their own policies or under local “sanctuary city” rules.
For other officers, though, the legislation would set new guidelines and has long divided police chiefs and sheriffs. The California Police Chiefs Assn. moved its official position from opposed to neutral after final changes to the bill last month, but the California Sheriffs Assn. remained opposed.






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Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck supported the bill, joining others who said entangling police and federal immigration forces can have a negative effect on public safety, because crime victims and witnesses without legal status may refuse to come forward to authorities out of fear of deportation. L.A. County Sheriff Jim McDonnell was a vocal opponent. Even so, he said the final version of the bill, though not perfect, “reflects much of what the LASD implemented years ago and the work is well underway.”
Immigrant rights advocates said its passage would help keep thousands of families together. Angela Chan, policy director at the Advancing Justice-Asian Law Caucus, said it will “improve protections for immigrants in most counties in California.”
“This victory is the result of community organizing and directly impacted immigrants sharing their stories about being turned over to ICE at the hands of local law enforcement,” she said. “And we look forward to working to pass stronger protections for immigrants throughout California in the years to come."
Times staff writers Christine Mai-Duc and Noah Bierman contributed to this report.
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http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-brown-california-sanctuary-state-bill-20171005-story.html

The governor just gave aid and comfort to a foreign invasion in addition during his independent negotiations on climate change he violated the following provisions of the Constititution:


Article 1 Section 10

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.


He should be executed for treason and formenting rebellion.
 
The governor just gave aid and comfort to a foreign invasion in addition during his independent negotiations on climate change he violated the following provisions of the Constititution:


Article 1 Section 10

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.


He should be executed for treason and formenting rebellion.

DESPERATION!
 
DESPERATION!

Your support for the foreign invasion of the US is noted, your treason does not go unnoticed and it won't be forgotten, the same goes for the illegal and unconstitutional actions of the treasonous governor Brown who will in the end be hung for his crimes against the republic as will all of those who support him.
 
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