Cain’s ‘9-9-9’ tax plan hits poor, helps wealthy

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Tax policy analysts say Cain's plan would hurt the poor, and I believe them.

The “9-9-9” plan that has helped propel businessman Herman Cain to the front of the GOP presidential field would stick many poor and middle-class people with a hefty tax increase while cutting taxes for those at the top, tax analysts say.

The plan would do away with much of the current tax code and impose a 9 percent personal income tax, a 9 percent business tax and a 9 percent national sales tax, which tax experts say would mean that low- and middle-income Americans would pay more...

“Right now, we have a strongly progressive income tax. High-income people are paying a higher share of income in taxes than lower-income people,” said Alan D. Viard, a former Federal Reserve Bank economist and a resident scholar at the right-leaning American Enterprise Institute. “That is a pattern that would be disrupted by adoption of the Cain plan...”

Meanwhile, analysts said the 9-9-9 part of Cain’s vision would place a further burden on those hit hardest by the nation’s economic problems.

Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, is working on an analysis of Cain’s signature policy proposal. Although the plan’s details remain sketchy, Williams said that it would increase taxes for the poor and middle class, despite Cain’s statements to the contrary.

For starters, about 30 million of the poorest households pay neither income taxes nor Social Security or Medicare levies. “So for them, doing away with the payroll tax doesn’t save anything. And you are adding both a 9 percent sales tax and 9 percent income tax. So we know they will be worse off,” Williams said.

At the top end of the income scale, meanwhile, the opposite would occur, he said. The top 1 percent of earners would get a tax cut under Cain’s plan, Williams said.

The nation’s top income earners have reaped the vast majority of the nation’s income growth over the past quarter century, pushing income inequality in the country to levels not seen since the Depression. The tax plan would exacerbate that gap, Williams said.

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The plan would do away with much of the current tax code and impose a 9 percent personal income tax, a 9 percent business tax and a 9 percent national sales tax, which tax experts say would mean that low- and middle-income Americans would pay more...

Are they factoring in the prebate? Low income families will get a prebate, meaning, they will still not be paying tax on basic needs. Most working Americans pay a payroll tax, that would be eliminated. Actual take home pay would increase for most middle class families.
 
Are they factoring in the prebate? Low income families will get a prebate, meaning, they will still not be paying tax on basic needs. Most working Americans pay a payroll tax, that would be eliminated. Actual take home pay would increase for most middle class families.

You're going to have to cite to something in support of your claims if you want anyone to take you seriously.
 
All flat and or fair taxes have this same effect, that of lowering the cost to the wealthy, and raising the burden on the poor.
 
So you're saying you don't want anyone to take you seriously. OK. Glad we clarified. I always thought you were a spoof anyway.

Whenever you start taking me seriously, I will know I am in need of psychological counseling, because it will indicate I have gone insane. Hubby.. what is the point in me posting a link to a cite? Haven't we played this game enough? I post a source, you attack and discredit the source, and never address the issue. We've been through all of this over and over again, it always turns out the same, so why would I want to play along with you? The Interwebs are fascinating! You can find anything you want to find, just type it in the search bar! I don't need to "cite" stuff for you, it's available for anyone who knows how to use a search engine, and I assume you do.
 
Whenever you start taking me seriously, I will know I am in need of psychological counseling, because it will indicate I have gone insane. Hubby.. what is the point in me posting a link to a cite? Haven't we played this game enough? I post a source, you attack and discredit the source, and never address the issue. We've been through all of this over and over again, it always turns out the same, so why would I want to play along with you? The Interwebs are fascinating! You can find anything you want to find, just type it in the search bar! I don't need to "cite" stuff for you, it's available for anyone who knows how to use a search engine, and I assume you do.

Some day the Dixe Scale will be used by the mental health field as a reality gauge, with Full Dix indicating total cluelessness.
 
Are they factoring in the prebate? Low income families will get a prebate, meaning, they will still not be paying tax on basic needs. Most working Americans pay a payroll tax, that would be eliminated. Actual take home pay would increase for most middle class families.

Families will not be paying corporate taxes. A single person earning 25k pays a 15% income tax. He will save 6% in his take home. But, he will also have to pay 9% federal sales tax on purchases. This is the part of the Cain plan that demands more explanation i.e. will housing and food be exempt? Will current federal gas tax be lowered from the 18.4% to 9% etc etc etc.

All that said a big fucking kudos to Cain for being willing to put a plan out there!
 
And that is why you are considered just another partisan hack who won't debate...

I'll debate anytime, anywhere, but you fuckwits don't want to debate. You want to obfuscate, denigrate, distort, contort, spin, over-hype, lie your ass off, post links to propaganda, pretend reality doesn't exist, or whatever you need to do in order to keep believing your Utopian bullshit. You can't have a rational debate with irrational idiots, it's not possible, so why should I bother? Could there be a more profound waste of time? I'm not going to suddenly convert you from Liberal pinhead idiot to anything remotely close to normal, because you are comfortable being a Liberal pinhead idiot, and that's fine... I'll just fuck with you and mess with your head. That's more fun than trying to have a serious debate... I leave that shit to Superfreak and Yurt, they still think there is hope.
 
If poor people are taking home more, and the middle class is taking home more, and the wealthy are taking home WWWWAAAAYYYYYY more, what is the overall effect on revenue? Hello, guys, we ALREADY have a fucking deficit. Cain hasn't proposed ANY clear cuts to government. He would have to eliminate Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, and he still wouldn't even be close to balancing the budget with this plan.
 
Are they factoring in the prebate? Low income families will get a prebate, meaning, they will still not be paying tax on basic needs.

The wealthy would pay a small fraction of what they currently pay under the Unfair Tax. Since, as you often point out, the poor poor oppressed wealthy make up the vast majority of our current revenue, to get anything close to current revenue figures, the consumption tax would have to be way higher than 20%. Perhaps 30%, 40%. Maybe 50% if you want to offer any sort of offsetting prebates at all. 20%? What kind of delusional universe are you living in?
 
The rich pay WAAAAYYYYY less, the poor (possibly) pay slightly less (but, seriously, they aren't going to be able to give much anyway), it takes in the same amount of revenue - who's making up the difference? Use some common fucking sense.
 
If poor people are taking home more, and the middle class is taking home more, and the wealthy are taking home WWWWAAAAYYYYYY more, what is the overall effect on revenue?

That wouldn't be the case, obviously. First of all, you are forgetting we will have a new 9% consumption tax, do you have any idea of how much consumption this nation does each year? How much of that is done by people who are currently 'off the grid' as far as taxes go? Drug dealers, illegals, cons... suddenly, those people would then be paying into the system, where they aren't now. Another thing you forget to consider, is there will be no more tax deductions or loopholes, which is going to effect the wealthy and upper middle class more, as will the consumption tax, for that matter... bums don't buy Gulfstreams and Yachts.
 
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