CA Prop. 8 shot down

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I was in Middle School (it was called Junior High back then) in the early 70s. There were a few girls of ill repute that would let you get your hands in their pants, but they were few, far between, and had reputations. And I can only remember one girl who would do any more than let they guy touch her. She ended up pregnant and out of school.

That's how I remember it. And it was interesting - most girls really tried to avoid getting a "reputation," but the girls who had it were generally the ones the guys were most interested in.

I think today it's just expanded. Kids are more fearless, and everything is just out there w/ Facebook & sexting & all that. It has it's pros & cons...
 
No, nobody masterbated untill they started allowing gay marriage...!

Not unless they wanted to go blind, and get harry palms.
 
Im not married but we dont give out tax breaks and governmental entitlements because they have no effect upon others but do so instead because it provides a benefit to the wider society. AND, of course, marriage between ANY TWO CONSENTING ADULTS would not have an effect upon others marriages, so your evidence does nothing for your arguments specific to those couples who happen to be "gay"

Then what is the problem in giving gay couples the same rights that heterosexual couples have?
I posted a short list, on either this thread or one of the others, that show some of the "rights" that couples receive when married.
What is detrimental about giving those same rights to married gay couples?
 
What silliness. Some ignorant belief that government cannot encourage behavior and can only mandate behavior. Absurd. And while Im sure my argument has no sway down at the gay bath house, but its been winning in courts across the country. 44 states marriage is limited to a man and a woman because only a man and a woman has the potential to procreate.

You're the one that keeps bringing up the "procreate" scale.
If it's only about procreation, then why are people who either choose not or can't procreate, given the same rights as those who can?
 
We didnt have handies and blows when I was in 8th grade. And no hot teachers molesting young boys. Deprived childhood I guess.

We did not have hot teachers molesting boys till High School, I was thinking about that last night. She was only 5 years older than me.
 
I'll never forget 6th grade and Miss Deutchman. She put lead in my pencil.

Miss Ayers in the 7th... Just wow...

And I got credit for being a teacher's aide, working for the 1st and 3rd grades at my old elementary school.. Miss Schwartz... OMG!
 
You're the one that keeps bringing up the "procreate" scale.
If it's only about procreation, then why are people who either choose not or can't procreate, given the same rights as those who can?

Its not about procreation. Its about providing and caring fro the product of that procreation. You still havent yet even comprehended a thing I or the court casess have said. Willful ignorance?

And government doesnt know which couples will procreate. We do know that all that do wil be exclusively heterosexual couples. Just because govenment could subject every couple to medical examinations and a battery of laboratory testing to detrermine who is capeable of procreation, I cant imagine where you people come up with this idea that the constitution would require that they must.

And you people keep presenting this same argument, again and again as if youve discovered some previously undiscovered answer when the same argument, has beeen presented in court case after court case and dismissed as irrelevant.

In addition, within limits, a statute generally does not fail rational basis review on the grounds of over- or under-inclusiveness; “[a] classification does not fail rational-basis review because ‘it is not made with mathematical nicety or because in practice it results in some inequity.’”...

Under this standard, DOMA is constitutional because the legislature was entitled to believe that limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples furthers procreation, essential to survival of the human race, and furthers the well-being of children by encouraging families where children are reared in homes headed by the children’s biological parents. Allowing same-sex couples to marry does not, in the legislature’s view, further these purposes.....
And the link between opposite-sex marriage and procreation is not defeated by the fact that the law allows opposite-sex marriage regardless of a couple’s willingness or ability to procreate. The facts that all opposite-sex couples do not have children and that single-sex couples raise children and have children with third party assistance or through adoption do not mean that limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples lacks a rational basis. Such over- or under-inclusiveness does not defeat finding a rational basis....
http://www.courts.wa.gov/newsinfo/content/pdf/759341opn.pdf

Petitioners note that the state does not impose upon heterosexual married couples a condition that they have a proved capacity or declared willingness to procreate, posing a rhetorical demand that this court must read such condition into the statute if same-sex marriages are to be prohibited. Even assuming that such a condition would be neither unrealistic nor offensive under the Griswold rationale, the classification is no more than theoretically imperfect. We are reminded, however, that "abstract symmetry" is not demanded by the Fourteenth Amendment
http://www.cas.umt.edu/phil/faculty/Walton/bakrvnel.htm
 
Im still friendly with a certian teacher from High School. Things were different back then, my parents knew I was going over to her house for "dinner". A few of my firends knew, but it was not some big scandal. I will happily say I was not harmed. But like I said there was only 5 year differnece in our ages.
 
Im not married but we dont give out tax breaks and governmental entitlements because they have no effect upon others but do so instead because it provides a benefit to the wider society. AND, of course, marriage between ANY TWO CONSENTING ADULTS would not have an effect upon others marriages, so your evidence does nothing for your arguments specific to those couples who happen to be "gay"

Then what is the problem in giving gay couples the same rights that heterosexual couples have?
I posted a short list, on either this thread or one of the others, that show some of the "rights" that couples receive when married.
What is detrimental about giving those same rights to married gay couples?

Did you not even read what I posted and you quoted, or just unable to comprehend? Willful ignorance?
 
Miss Ayers in the 7th... Just wow...

And I got credit for being a teacher's aide, working for the 1st and 3rd grades at my old elementary school.. Miss Schwartz... OMG!

I remember the awakening I had when I first realized that smell. The scent of a woman. It was an awakening.
 
Believe it. When my step-daughter came home in 8th or 9th grade and started talking about girls in her class "doing stuff" and claiming they weren't having sex I was amazed. But yes, it is happening. Last year, in her school, there were 6 suspensions for inappropriate contact, and all involved handjobs or or oral sex.

The difference between schools now and when my first set of kids went through is amazing.

I don't doubt they are doing stuff, I doubt they are givingClinton credit for it. Young girls are much more savvy these days,
but not because of Bill Clinton.
 
I cannot believe you wrote this, I was like, who is that? And then I looked, and I was like, OMG Rana!? LMAO

eighth grade girls?? I don't know any, not a one, ever, adult woman who uses that phrase. I have never heard anyone other than a man say it, and then only when drunk, and about two seconds later they were saying "ouchhhh" because I slapped their arm. It's gross.

There is zero chance of my believing any middle-school girls are saying that.

I have a male friend who use to use the line all the time. His sister and I use to shake our heads. He defended Clinton, mightily.
 
I was in Middle School (it was called Junior High back then) in the early 70s. There were a few girls of ill repute that would let you get your hands in their pants, but they were few, far between, and had reputations. And I can only remember one girl who would do any more than let they guy touch her. She ended up pregnant and out of school.

Oh, dear gawd, the girl of Ill repute, but the guys reputation was a stud, I bet. This is what makes me so angry. The guy is just as damned guilty, but it is the girl who gets the bad rap.
 
Oh, dear gawd, the girl of Ill repute, but the guys reputation was a stud, I bet. This is what makes me so angry. The guy is just as damned guilty, but it is the girl who gets the bad rap.

I agree 100%! And it is still that way. Ask a woman about her past exploits and she downplays it. Ask a guy the same question and he embelishes it.

I've never understood it. And what is it with so many men's fascination with marrying a virgin? Who wants a virgin??
 
I found a bunch of high school pals on Facebook. One girl who gave up her virginity to me willingly back in the 60s told me to "fuck off". LOL.
 
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