CA Prop. 8 shot down

[Alias]

Marriage is not a 0 sum game, Kicking for the Giants is!

Marriage demands qualifications. So does kicking for the NY Giants.

 

[dixon76710]

No, sperm from a sperm bank would be one of the few situations where the 3rd party wouldnt have legal ties to the child as part of the sperm donation process involves surrendering any paternal rights to any children conceived with his sperm.

Unless he relinquished his parental rights.

Also, in almost all cases, sperm donors have no parental rights. They sign them away when the arrangements are made.

Its like you dont even read what you choose to respond to. Or do you just not comprehend?

 

[WinterBorn]

70% of blacks in California are bigots according to WinterBorn. That's a scientific study and not to be questioned.

So you wish to stop discussing the topic and resort simply to name calling? I can do that too.


But why not tell me what you think the negative impact would be if we allowed gays to marry? How would it effect you, your marriage or the nation.

 

[dixon76710]

so your reason for denying them the same breaks and entitlements is what?

No benefit to society to be derrived from extending them to gays. Only heterosexuals procreate. If you wan to extend marriage to homosexuals, youve lost any justification you had for excluding any two consenting adults from marriage. Unless one of you wants to propose a legitimate governmental interest that would only be served in the case of heterosexual and homosexual couples. The other poster seems to think "Romantic love" is the distinguishing characteristic but nobody has offered a legitimate governmental interest that is only served in the case of couples with "romantic love".

 

[Jarod]

Marriage demands qualifications. So does kicking for the NY Giants.

The qualifications for marriage are what ever society says they are, to be a kicker you have to be good at being a kicker.

 

[WinterBorn]

Nah, you people have always responded with emotional, hormone charged rants followed by accusations of bigotry.

I'm not sure who "you people" would be, but we have established that bigotry is involved.

 

[dixon76710]

Should sterile people be allowed to get married?

Yes, because most of the time they are unaware that they are sterile.

 

[WinterBorn]

Its like you dont even read what you choose to respond to. Or do you just not comprehend?

Not all sperm donations come from sperm banks, which is what you addressed.

 

[WinterBorn]

Yes, because most of the time they are unaware that they are sterile.

And should they be allowed to marry if they KNOW they cannot procreate? As in a woman who has had a hystorectomy or senior citizens?

 

[dixon76710]

I'm not sure who "you people" would be, but we have established that bigotry is involved.

Its the biology of procreation, not bigotry.

"matrimonium is an institution involving a mother, mater. The idea implicit in the word is that a man takes a woman in marriage, in matrimonium ducere, so that he may have children by her."

 

[Alias]

So you wish to stop discussing the topic and resort simply to name calling? I can do that too.


But why not tell me what you think the negative impact would be if we allowed gays to marry? How would it effect you, your marriage or the nation.

What name did I call you?

 

[WinterBorn]

Its the biology of procreation, not bigotry.

"matrimonium is an institution involving a mother, mater. The idea implicit in the word is that a man takes a woman in marriage, in matrimonium ducere, so that he may have children by her."

Such was the case in ancient Rome, to be sure.

But you have already stated that people who cannot procreate should still be allowed to marry and gain the benefits from it. And youhave said that two lesbians, one of whom got pregnant by artificial insemination, should not be allowed to marry.

So your claims that marriage is about children has been debunked.

 

[Alias]

I'm not sure who "you people" would be, but we have established that bigotry is involved.

Nope. "We" haven't established bigotry was involved. You've made unfounded allegations. According to you, 70% of Blacks in California are bigots. How did you establish that fact?

 

[WinterBorn]

Nope. "We" haven't established bigotry was involved. You've made unfounded allegations. According to you, 70% of Blacks in California are bigots. How did you establish that fact?

We established your bigotry when you demanded that all gay teachers be fired.

 

[dixon76710]

And should they be allowed to marry if they KNOW they cannot procreate? As in a woman who has had a hystorectomy or senior citizens?

I would say yes because preventing them from marrying would likely be viewed as a restriction on their freedom of religion.

 

[dixon76710]

We established your bigotry when you demanded that all gay teachers be fired.

He didnt. You simply presume no gay teacher could ever not attempt to indoctrinate the children.

 

[Alias]

We established your bigotry when you demanded that all gay teachers be fired.

We established your bigotry when you said 70% of Blacks in California are bigots. That's an astounding proclamation. You're a fucking genius.

 

[dixon76710]

So your claims that marriage is about children has been debunked.

???? Cant imagine what would lead you to think that. The idea is to get the children with their biological mother and father. Cant be done in the case of a lesbian couple.

 

[dixon76710]

Not all sperm donations come from sperm banks, which is what you addressed.

I never claimed they did. Its like you dont even read what you choose to respond to. Or do you just not comprehend?

 

[Alias]

This is what happens when the left bases their argument on emotions. You end up more confused and the results are twisted logic. Winterborn has just provided us with a perfect example in this thread.

When the baby Jesus ends up being a bigot, then it's pretty funny stuff.