CA Prop. 8 shot down

[Cancel 2016.11]

All that, and anything else can be accomplished by a simple contract (agreement) between the homo's....but thats not what the homo's want,.....they want to destroy the present definition of marriage that has endured from early civilization....

First of all, your hate, your anger, your seething resentment at everyone and every thing, is really surpassing itself lately.

Secondly, gays are human beings just like you and I and are entitled, ENTITLED, to the exact same legal and civil and human rights we enjoy.

The good news? Your kind is on its way out. It's quite simply the fact that people under 40 don't agree in large numbers.

You're done.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Of course those laws against interracial marriage were unconstitutional because race can't be helped. There is no such thing as queer marriage. Marriage is a man and a woman.

And this will be challanged and changed, just as the inter-racial marriages were challanged and changed.
Two males or two females getting married, does nothing to denigrate my marriage of going on to 35 years.
What would denigrate my marriage are things that me or my wife would do, to make our marriage less then what it is.

 

[Alias]

Guess what? Back in the day guys like you were claiming that blacks marrying whites wasn't a civil rights issue either. You were wrong then, you're wrong now.

It is a civil rights issue. And that's why opinions have been changing every year. Because more and more people are recognizing that. And hateful bigots can't change that. They never have been able to change that.

I never claimed blacks could not marry whites. Your stereotype isn't gonna work. My family is very racially mixed. Try again.

Your skin color is something you are born with. Being queer is a choice. Like an alcoholic taking a drink. It's a choice made by your desires.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Oh, for sure. So was Jesus. Jesus said this....."And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Is this the crux of your argument? I would certainly hope so.

 

[Alias]

So sexual orientation can be helped? Please, do go on.

I can see I'm gonna have some fun with you. Yes, sexual orientation is a choice. If you have homosexual urges then you will choose to have queer sex.

Tell us when the gay gene was found and who found it?

 

[Onceler]

I never claimed blacks could not marry whites. Your stereotype isn't gonna work. My family is very racially mixed. Try again.

Your skin color is something you are born with. Being queer is a choice. Like an alcoholic taking a drink. It's a choice made by your desires.

Really?

Do you remember when you "chose" to be attracted to the opposite sex?

You're a hater bigot, nothing more.

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

So sexual orientation can be helped? Please, do go on.

This is amazing to me, and always has been. I have known I liked boys "that way" since I can't even remember when. I think Kindergarten. Though of course, I didn't know how I liked them then, just that I did.

When these bigots sat down and said, man I really get excited by boys, but maybe I should choose to be excited by girls, I have no idea.

I never had to do that.

 

[apple0154]

More proof that the left is totalitarian. To hell with the will of the people.

(Excerpt) Perhaps the most important political finding that Walker made was his conclusion that the fact that Prop 8 passed as a voter initiative was irrelevant as "fundamental rights may not be submitted to [a] vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."(End)

The totalitarian Right gets a kick to the groin.

 

[Alias]

And this will be challanged and changed, just as the inter-racial marriages were challanged and changed.
Two males or two females getting married, does nothing to denigrate my marriage of going on to 35 years.
What would denigrate my marriage are things that me or my wife would do, to make our marriage less then what it is.

You call your male partner your "wife"? You need to have a little talk with Jesus, Mr. Christian.

 

[NOVA]

So sexual orientation can be helped? Please, do go on.

No one is trying to stop homo's from having sex.....that would be impossible.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

And this will be challanged and changed, just as the inter-racial marriages were challanged and changed.
Two males or two females getting married, does nothing to denigrate my marriage of going on to 35 years.
What would denigrate my marriage are things that me or my wife would do, to make our marriage less then what it is.

Exactly......but not only that......I have bigger problems to worry about then who is sleeping with who and who wants to get married to who. I hate wedge issues like this.

 

[cawacko]

Darla, some of this debate is reminding me a lot of The Master of the Senate the civil rights and anti-lynching laws that the Senate was attempting to block. Some of the Senators just straight up said we aren't passing any of these laws for 'ni**ers'. Remember Richard Russell from Georgia and how he couched it in terms of states rights and over stepping the Constitution and that's how he won other Senators over to his side?

I'm sure Alias doesn't care what anyone thinks here but he's obviously using queer in a deragatory manner which probably isn't going to win too many people over to his side of thinking.

 

[Alias]

This is why people call you a bigot. Not because you oppose same-sex marriage.

You're really a creature of hate.

Oh, for sure. I'm in good company. I only have to remember that millions of Americans since our founding as a nation before me felt the same way. You're the oddball, not me.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

I can see I'm gonna have some fun with you. Yes, sexual orientation is a choice. If you have homosexual urges then you will choose to have queer sex.

Tell us when the gay gene was found and who found it?

Can you tell me what the straight gene is? Or when you chose your sexuality?

 

[NOVA]

Lots of things endured from early civilization - slavery, torture, tyranny, corruption. It's not a good argument.

200 years ago, you had to be a white male landowner in order to vote.

Definitions are definitions, 2 years ago, 200 years or 2000 years ago....

Thats not the point.....What they claim they want can be done without changing the definition of marriage.....

 

[Cancel 2016.11]

Darla, some of this debate is reminding me a lot of The Master of the Senate the civil rights and anti-lynching laws that the Senate was attempting to block. Some of the Senators just straight up said we aren't passing any of these laws for 'ni**ers'. Remember Richard Russell from Georgia and how he couched it in terms of states rights and over stepping the Constitution and that's how he won other Senators over to his side?

I'm sure Alias doesn't care what anyone thinks here but he's obviously using queer in a deragatory manner which probably isn't going to win too many people over to his side of thinking.

Oh yes, I remember that part very clearly. Isn't it amazing how it all seems so familar? Isn't that book great! You've made me excited to reread it now that we know the fourth volume is soon to come out.

 

[Alias]

But it is a civil right.

A civil right is an enforceable right or privilege, which if interfered with by another gives rise to an action for injury. Examples of civil rights are freedom of speech, press, and assembly; the right to vote; freedom from involuntary servitude; and the right to equality in public places. Discrimination occurs when the civil rights of an individual are denied or interfered with because of their membership in a particular group or class. Various jurisdictions have enacted statutes to prevent discrimination based on a person's race, sex, religion, age, previous condition of servitude, physical limitation, national origin, and in some instances sexual orientation.

No one is being denied the right to marry. You can't marry your sister, you can't marry your mother, and you can't marry someone of the same sex. Now you tell me that being denied the right to marry your sister and mother and someone of the same sex is a civil rights issue? Go for it.

 

[Onceler]

Oh, for sure. I'm in good company. I only have to remember that millions of Americans since our founding as a nation before me felt the same way. You're the oddball, not me.

Like Darla said above, the time for you & yours is over. If you want to rely on the hate of people in history, be my guest. There was a time when millions hated any one of a # of minorities (and still do). There was a time when millions supported slavery, and fought a war for it. There was a time when millions thought that women shouldn't vote.

I'm so glad I'm not consumed by hate.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Governments purpose in encouraging marriage is to increase the number of children born into homes with the benefit of both their mother and father present to provide and care for them, as opposed to the alternative of one or neither of their parents present to do so. If you want to give those benefits to two gay guys who rub genitals, you really have no justification for denying the benefits to any two people who would desire those benefits. Nothing special about being homosexual, that would justify such discriminatory treatment. Society, culture, tradition, religion and law hasnt encouraged men and women to marry, for as long as human civilization has existed, because men and women have sex. They have instead done so, because when men and women have sex, children are frequently the result. Two guys doing each other in the butt, never going to happen. From BC Roman law

Mater semper certa est ("The mother is always certain")
"pater semper incertus est" ("The father is always uncertain")
"pater est, quem nuptiae demonstrant" ("father is to whom marriage points")

as it is today

§ 160.204. PRESUMPTION OF PATERNITY.
(a) A man is presumed to be the father of a child if:
(1) he is married to the mother of the child and the child is born during the marriage;....

None of this has any applicability to two people of the same sex because,

"matrimonium is an institution involving a mother, mater. The idea implicit in the word is that a man takes a woman in marriage, in matrimonium ducere, so that he may have children by her."

Your original premise is incorrect.
Governments purpose in encouraging marriage was so they could levy taxes on the property, when one or the other died.
People have been and still do have children outside of the marriage vows.

Two people who care for each other and have worked towards having a warm, safe, and loving home are just as capable of raising a healthy child; no matter if they are hetrosexual or homosexual.

 

[dixon76710]

Do you know nothing about the tyranny of the majority and the rights of the minority????

Denial of the tax breaks and governmental entitlements to two guys who do each other in the butt, is no more tyranny than the denial of the same tax breaks and governmental entitlements to the single mother and widowed grandmother down the street from me, who have shared a home, raising the 3 children/grandchildren for 8 years now. Nothing special about being gay. If you want to extend marriage to gays, there really would be no justification for denying it to any two consenting adults seeking a marriage.