CA isn’t helping my mask skepticism

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Darth Omar

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California reported its largest number of new coronavirus infections in a single day Tuesday, hospitalizations hit a new high and deaths approached record levels as the state continued to lose ground in its battle against COVID-19.

The 11,142 cases recorded Tuesday were easily the most confirmed in any one day since the pandemic began, surpassing the previous record of 9,816 on July 9, according to data from The Times’ coronavirus tracker.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.la...00-new-coronavirus-cases-in-one-day?_amp=true
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Per usual, the cases aren’t categorized and are all glommed together in one big number so it’s hard to know what exactly to make of it, but that’s beside the point.

CA guidelines mandated masks a month ago. And here there are setting a daily record at 11,000 cases [again, the raw numbers don’t tell us anything regarding clinical cases vs positive tests, but bear with me] so what gives?

Do masks work ‘just a bit’? I was under the impression that if we social distanced and masked, that the numbers would come down, we could open the economy up get things rocking again [well, maybe not too early, since the election isn’t till November].

Maybe someone can explain what’s going on in CA. I have my own ideas but they can wait.
 
Darth Omar said:
California reported its largest number of new coronavirus infections in a single day Tuesday, hospitalizations hit a new high and deaths approached record levels as the state continued to lose ground in its battle against COVID-19.

The 11,142 cases recorded Tuesday were easily the most confirmed in any one day since the pandemic began, surpassing the previous record of 9,816 on July 9, according to data from The Times’ coronavirus tracker.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.la...00-new-coronavirus-cases-in-one-day?_amp=true
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Per usual, the cases aren’t categorized and are all glommed together in one big number so it’s hard to know what exactly to make of it, but that’s beside the point.

CA guidelines mandated masks a month ago. And here there are setting a daily record at 11,000 cases [again, the raw numbers don’t tell us anything regarding clinical cases vs positive tests, but bear with me] so what gives?

Do masks work ‘just a bit’? I was under the impression that if we social distanced and masked, that the numbers would come down, we could open the economy up get things rocking again [well, maybe not too early, since the election isn’t till November].

Maybe someone can explain what’s going on in CA. I have my own ideas but they can wait.
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Far too many republicans who refuse to wear face coverings.
 
Darth Omar said:
So if CA went full Nazi on masks that would help?

What if masks do actually work but CA sucks at controlling their immigration? Maybe they should think about building a wall or something.
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CA has twice the population of FL. Now who has more Covid19 cases???????
 
So?

Why is it anyone's job to make you take a basic & easy precaution?

Give me a break. Don't say you want massive re-opening and are all about the economy in one breath, and "I'm not convinced on masks" in the next.
 
BartenderElite said:
So?

Why is it anyone's job to make you take a basic & easy precaution?

Give me a break. Don't say you want massive re-opening and are all about the economy in one breath, and "I'm not convinced on masks" in the next.
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I’m skeptical by nature, I can’t help it lol.

As we know, I’ve also read and cited studies that contradict the prevailing wisdom. Maybe I should be careful about where I get my information and stick to what the experts are telling us.

Maybe masks do work and there’s another variable that’s being missed. The media coverage is ‘FL centric’ because DeSantis is a republican and there’s an election coming up. But things ‘are a little busy‘ in CA and CA has been ‘doing all the right things’ yet they’re still setting records.

Just trying to make sense of it. I’m inquisitive by nature, too. Maybe I should have gone into journalism. Sounds like they could use me.
 
Darth Omar said:
I’m skeptical by nature, I can’t help it lol.

As we know, I’ve also read and cited studies that contradict the prevailing wisdom. Maybe I should be careful about where I get my information and stick to what the experts are telling us.

Maybe masks do work and there’s another variable that’s being missed. The media coverage is ‘FL centric’ because DeSantis is a republican and there’s an election coming up. But things ‘are a little busy’ CA and CA has been ‘doing all the right things’ yet they’re still setting records.

Just trying to make sense of it. I’m inquisitive by nature, too. Maybe I should have gone into journalism. Sounds like they could use me.
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Nah. You're only inquisitive when it supports your agenda. For months I told you to look at Hong Kong and other areas where 100% mask compliance clearly worked (including NY, btw).

But nah. You wait for an area that seems to contradict those findings, and then you get all "inquisitive."

Stick to the dental research.
 
Darth Omar said:
I’m skeptical by nature, I can’t help it lol.

As we know, I’ve also read and cited studies that contradict the prevailing wisdom. Maybe I should be careful about where I get my information and stick to what the experts are telling us.

Maybe masks do work and there’s another variable that’s being missed. The media coverage is ‘FL centric’ because DeSantis is a republican and there’s an election coming up. But things ‘are a little busy‘ in CA and CA has been ‘doing all the right things’ yet they’re still setting records.

Just trying to make sense of it. I’m inquisitive by nature, too. Maybe I should have gone into journalism. Sounds like they could use me.
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CA has 1/2 the cases that FL has with twice the population
 
I'll add, just for your inqisitive nature:

I don't usually make election predictions. Too much can happen. But Trump is going to get trounced. It's gonna be a Mondale map in reverse, and the GOP may lose TX for at least a few election cycles.

Know how that might have been prevented? If Trump wore a mask from day 1, and preached the basics, every day: wear a mask, wash hands, distance, test & trace.

He could have shown leadership during this generations greatest crisis. Polls out today not only have him trailing badly behind Biden, but show that people just don't believe him anymore. He could have done the right thing, saved a ton of lives, kept the economy from tanking this badly and cruised to re-election.

But he's gonna lose now. And it won't be close.
 
BartenderElite said:
Nah. You're only inquisitive when it supports your agenda. For months I told you to look at Hong Kong and other areas where 100% mask compliance clearly worked (including NY, btw).

But nah. You wait for an area that seems to contradict those findings, and then you get all "inquisitive."

Stick to the dental research.
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Masks may work lol.

How many times do I have to say it? Why are they working in NY [assuming NY results are mask-related. I can’t get past the correlation doesn’t equal causation thing] and not in CA?
 
BartenderElite said:
Nah. You're only inquisitive when it supports your agenda. For months I told you to look at Hong Kong and other areas where 100% mask compliance clearly worked (including NY, btw).

But nah. You wait for an area that seems to contradict those findings, and then you get all "inquisitive."

Stick to the dental research.
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Corona is on the rise in NYC in younger people. NYC does not have a 100% mask compliance anything. They just urge people to do it. Here: https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2020/07/13/new-york-city-sees-uptick-in-coronavirus-cases-among-young-adults-1300223
 
BartenderElite said:
I'll add, just for your inqisitive nature:

I don't usually make election predictions. Too much can happen. But Trump is going to get trounced. It's gonna be a Mondale map in reverse, and the GOP may lose TX for at least a few election cycles.

Know how that might have been prevented? If Trump wore a mask from day 1, and preached the basics, every day: wear a mask, wash hands, distance, test & trace.

He could have shown leadership during this generations greatest crisis. Polls out today not only have him trailing badly behind Biden, but show that people just don't believe him anymore. He could have done the right thing, saved a ton of lives, kept the economy from tanking this badly and cruised to re-election.

But he's gonna lose now. And it won't be close.
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You should have stopped at too much can happen lol.

And your analysis is too COVID-centric. Speaking of CA, since their numbers are spiking [in July] they are keeping kids out of school in the fall. Almost like they were looking for an excuse.

Democrats are making a very bad political miscalculation on school openings. It is going to piss off a lot of voters in a really big way. That isn’t ‘just a mild inconvenience’ to tens of millions of parents.
 
Darth Omar said:
You should have stopped at too much can happen lol.

And your analysis is too COVID-centric. Speaking of CA, since their numbers are spiking [in July] they are keeping kids out of school in the fall. Almost like they were looking for an excuse.

Democrats are making a very bad political miscalculation on school openings. It is going to piss off a lot of voters in a really big way. That isn’t ‘just a mild inconvenience’ to tens of millions of parents.
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Most voters, the majority, do not favor the return to school this fall You are wrong again
 
Darth Omar said:
You should have stopped at too much can happen lol.

And your analysis is too COVID-centric. Speaking of CA, since their numbers are spiking [in July] they are keeping kids out of school in the fall. Almost like they were looking for an excuse.

Democrats are making a very bad political miscalculation on school openings. It is going to piss off a lot of voters in a really big way. That isn’t ‘just a mild inconvenience’ to tens of millions of parents.
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You always talk about Dems making "bad miscalculations," but every time you do, Biden's lead in the polls grows.

You base it on how YOU feel. In the poll today, 70% of Americans did not support Trump's blanket rush on schools. I happen to agree w/ you that it's better to have kids back in schools - but it can't be an isolated blanket decision. It has to be responsible, and based on actual science & circumstances. It may not be the best thing in some areas.

Regardless, MOST Americans support a more cautious approach. Your "miscalculation" comment is based on nothing.
 
BartenderElite said:
You always talk about Dems making "bad miscalculations," but every time you do, Biden's lead in the polls grows.

You base it on how YOU feel. In the poll today, 70% of Americans did not support Trump's blanket rush on schools. I happen to agree w/ you that it's better to have kids back in schools - but it can't be an isolated blanket decision. It has to be responsible, and based on actual science & circumstances. It may not be the best thing in some areas.

Regardless, MOST Americans support a more cautious approach. Your "miscalculation" comment is based on nothing.
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Is there a break down in the poll numbers regarding parents of school kids?

And what does the science say about schools opening?
 
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