Bye Bye Lake Mead

[Dutch Uncle]

WRONG. The upper Colorado river system was recently in flood stage. Define 'drought'.

She's talking about the drought downstream in the Southwest, Sybil, not the northern Colorado deep in the central Colorado Rockies.
https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2...-worst-in-at-least-1200-years-study-confirms/

https://mashable.com/article/drought-us-southwest-megadrought

 

[Into the Night]

So did those cities and farmland exist in 1983 when Lake Mead was at its peak? Why yes, yes they did.

There is more city and less farmland in the SDTC.
Las Vegas is larger, but they get most of their water from springs, not Lake Mead.
The City of Henderson does get it's water primarily from Lake Mead, but lately has been installing intakes below the dam where the water level is normal.
The City of Phoenix has always done this.

 

[Into the Night]

Dry up on their own, why? Because there's no rainfall or snowfall.

And why is there no rainfall or snowfall? Because there's a drought.

The Upper Colorado basin was recently in flood stage, dude. It also rains and snows.

And what caused the drought? Climate change.

What drought? Define drought? Climate cannot change.

And what caused Climate change? Burning CO2.

Climate cannot change. CO2 doesn't burn. Indeed, it's used in fire extinguishers.

And who primarily burned CO2? Oil companies.

Oil companies can't burn CO2 either.

And which oil companies knew that burning CO2 would lead to the drought that led to the draining of Lake Mead? ALL OF THEM.

You don't get to speak for oil companies. CO2 does not burn.

Lake Mead was at its peak in 1983, and every year since then its water levels have declined.

It goes up and down with the seasons.

That's not because of increased usage, that's because of a fucking drought.

What drought?

Why are so many of you so fucking stupid about this? I don't understand. Of course there won't be any water if it never rains or snows.

It does rain and snow.

It does rain and snow in the desert, it just hasn't in the SW desert for 22 years because of the drought.

It rains and snows in the desert too. The Colorado river is not fed by rain or snow in the SW deserts.

Apparently you never understood geography, can't define what 'drought' even means, and think that CO2 can actually burn! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm not Primavera, but desalination still isn't viable due to a number of issues.

We pay big money for salt in the winter in cold climates. Not sure if it would be an issue?

Agreed: energy and waste product.

https://www.instructables.com/How-to-Make-Sea-Salt/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...0f610e-9018-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story.html
Seawater is about 3.5 percent salt by weight, which means a gallon of water (eight pounds) should yield about 4.5 ounces of salt.

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.n.../LADWP_Water_System_Fact_Sheet.pdf?1430386934

The Water System supplies
approximately 191 billion gallons of water annually and
an average of 524 million gallons per day for the 674,000
residential and business water service connections.

524M x 4.5oz = 23,580,00,000 ozs/day or 147,375,000 lbs of salt per day. Please check my math because I'm in a rush.

 

[Into the Night]

People aren't draining the lake with increased usage because these farms and cities existed for decades before this drought.

Why are you trying to blame PEOPLE for Climate Change which was caused by OIL COMPANIES?

It's that boTHSiDerISm compulsion you have to socialize blame on people who have absolutely no control over the drought or the water usage.

Prior to the drought, everyone got the water the water they neeeded.

So the drought is the problem.

LIF.

 

[Into the Night]

I never said I thought that.

Dude they use crude oil to manufacture aspirin. And just about everything is dependent upon water.

So, I never try to underplay the role Oil or water has on our lives.

But, we should be doing everything possible to insure both water and oil will be available to our future generations- INSTEAD OF USING IT ALL UP SO OLD FARTS LIKE YOU CAN HOG IT FOR THEMSELVES AND PLAY POLITICS WITH IT.

Someday someone should tell you about rain and snow. You've been cooped up in your windowless padded cell so long you forgot what it looks like.

 

[Into the Night]

Not everyone, but the Conservatives are for sure.

After all, you are the ones who nominate Nazis to run as Republicans.

This isn't Germany, dude. Fascism is a form of socialism, dude. You can't lay YOUR problems on anybody else!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Climate cannot change. There is no value associated with climate.

Define 'drought'.

Are you claiming that the Ice Ages never happened, Sybil?

Let me help you, son: https://www.weather.gov/safety/drought

What Is Drought? Drought is a deficiency in precipitation over an extended period. It is a part of normal climate variability in many climate zones. The duration of droughts varies widely. Drought can develop quickly and last only for a matter of weeks, exacerbated by extreme heat and/or wind, but more commonly drought can persist for months or years.

 

[Into the Night]

I bet I know about as much about it as you do!

You have demonstrated otherwise. Stop acting like a child.

 

[Into the Night]

Do you patronize everyone you come in contact with?

Random unrelated question with no context. Ignored.

 

[Into the Night]

Here on JPP? I would think so because it's full of Nazis, cowards, and losers like you.

But if you think an anonymous message board establishes credibility for yourself, then by all means continue that misguided thinking.

But know that an echo chamber of Nazis doesn't make you more credible or your arguments any more sound.




LMAO! What Communist? Bernie is a Democratic Socialist.

Commies, like China? Remind me, who was it who was praising China in early 2020? Oh right, YOU AND TRUMP WERE.

LIF

 

[Into the Night]

Have you been gay all of your life?

Unrelated questions. No apparent coherency. Ignored.

 

[Into the Night]

Well take a minute, and tell us everything you know about it!

Take two minutes- If you need the extra time.

RQAA.

 

[Into the Night]

Well Lake Mead and Lake Powell ever fill up again?

Both Lake Powell and Lake Mead reservoirs are half empty, and scientists predict that they will probably never fill again. The water supply of more than 22 million people in the three Lower Basin states is in jeopardy.

[FONT="]Lone Rock Beach, a popular recreational area in Lake Powell that used to be under water, is now dry.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#6E7780][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]Photograph: Caitlin Ochs/Reuters[/FONT]

Science does not predict. Science isn't a political opinion. It is not holy entrails or a crystal ball.

Lake Powell was very low. They cut down flow through the dam so it can refill, which is what it's doing.
Lake Mead is extremely low. Hoover dam is NOT cutting flow through it yet, as it tries to generate power and water for the SDTC. Soon it will not be able to provide either.
River levels below the dams is normal.
River levels in the upper tributaries was recently at flood stage.

 

[Into the Night]

so they cut water to farmers......thank god that would never disrupt the food chain.......

Farmers and ranchers are already just abandoning their land and fleeing the SDTC.

 

[Into the Night]

cut off LA first and there is plenty of water for the farms......

There is for the desert areas, true. The SDTC does not collect it's own water though, so farms and ranches there will still have no water.

 

[Into the Night]

It's bad

Your photo is out of date. The level of Lake Mead has fallen a considerable distance from when that photo was taken.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

there is already an agency made up of all the Great Lakes states and provinces that have to approve any use of our water......

Thanks, Dr. Obvious. *sigh*

 

[Althea]

Agreed: energy and waste product.

https://www.instructables.com/How-to-Make-Sea-Salt/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...0f610e-9018-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story.html
Seawater is about 3.5 percent salt by weight, which means a gallon of water (eight pounds) should yield about 4.5 ounces of salt.

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.n.../LADWP_Water_System_Fact_Sheet.pdf?1430386934


524M x 4.5oz = 23,580,00,000 ozs/day or 147,375,000 lbs of salt per day. Please check my math because I'm in a rush.

That's a lot of salt, but 50 lbs of salt is less than 1 cubic foot.

I don't know if they mine salt now, but they use salt in pools, for livestock, and a whole shitload on the roads in the winter.

If they could produce water when the sun is shining, I suppose it could be done with solar. Ideally, in this discussion it would be nice if it rained once in a while to help Lake Mead.




Edit...just checked...NY alone uses almost 1/2 million pounds of salt every winter

 

[Dutch Uncle]

That's a lot of salt, but 50 lbs of salt is less than 1 cubic foot.

I don't know if they mine salt now, but they use salt in pools, for livestock, and a whole shitload on the roads in the winter.

If they could produce water when the sun is shining, I suppose it could be done with solar. Ideally, in this discussion it would be nice if it rained once in a while to help Lake Mead.




Edit...just checked...NY alone uses almost 1/2 million pounds of salt every winter

Solar evaporators would take a lot of acreage per person. LA has a problem with winter marine layers blocking the Sun.

Aboard Navy ships the heat from nuclear reactors produces fresh water from sea water. There, the salt is just washed overboard....as is some of the water.

https://www.eastvalleytribune.com/o...cle_764caf0d-b2e4-580b-a0d8-315627124103.html

Nuclear desalination got its start with the U.S. military. Ever since the USS Nautilus was commissioned more than a half century ago, the drinking water aboard nuclear submarines has come from reactor-powered desalination systems. Today’s aircraft carriers also rely on nuclear desalination for potable water.