Buttigieg's blatantly ignorant and ridiculous lie about the Founders and slavery

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Pete Buttigieg recently flat-out lied to a bunch of school children about the Founders not understanding "that slavery was a bad thing" (portray everything from the past as wrong and inferior...to justify throwing it all away and not having to follow the Constitution...which obstructs everything Democrats try to do). This is what passes for an elite-educated Rhodes scholar these days. Such stunningly ignorant Democrat misinformation reveals a total lack of exploration or understanding of our Founding (not to mention, of some of the wisest people ever to live)...and speaks volumes about why Democrats so utterly fail to comprehend the Constitution at every turn.

Basic facts that they apparently don't teach at Harvard:

-Slavery was seen like drugs are seen today. Doing drugs made you kind of a loser and degenerate, but no one is really going to tell you how to live your life. But being a dealer made you the scum of the Earth.

-The Founders loudly and often proclaimed slavery as an abomination, fought over how best to uproot it, and even condemned it in our original Founding document, the Declaration of Independence.

-The Founders banned the importation of new slaves, banned slavery in newly created states, and hashed out the Three-Fifths Compromise to "hold the Union together while still avoiding the legal recognition of slavery"...all to eventually eradicate it from our culture.

-The Founders were taking on the most advanced military on Earth, and couldn't simultaneously fix every single ancient injustice that had existed since the dawn of time all at once (slavery, women's rights, etc.)...therefore modern Democrats try to discredit, lie about, and dismiss some of the most enlightened minds in history and everything they accomplished as if they are all somehow morally invalid for only pulling off the miraculous quantum leap forward in governance that was the Constitution, and fundamentally transforming and liberating the world.

Awfully judgmental for permanently triggered crybully snowflakes who can't tell what bathroom to use. If Democrats were a fraction as informed, principled, intellectually advanced, or moral as the Founding Fathers were, 90% of this country's problems wouldn't exist right now.

What the Founders Actually Thought About Slavery
 
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Centerleftfl said:
Another SOURCE DU JOUR? What the hell is the DAILY SIGNAL?

(Sounds 'stormtrooperish'!)
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Invalid "attack the source" fallacy. There are independently verifiable links to everything being claimed in the article...links to Yale's Avalon Project and such, for those of you who never received an eighth grade education and need proof of common knowledge facts.

:laugh:

Next BS excuse, dishonest demagogue. :bs:
 
Funny how the facts don't ever end up being anything like what Democrats claim, isn't it?

"Early Conflicts Over Slavery

Slavery pervaded the world of the late 18th century, and the newly formed United States emerged as an independent country with slavery still deeply ingrained in the social and political system.

While many accepted slavery as an inescapable way of life, public debates over the morality of slavery erupted as early as the American Revolution.

The contradiction was obvious: How can a nation founded on the proposition that “all men are created equal” keep a certain segment of the population in perpetual bondage?

When Thomas Jefferson wrote that line about the fundamental equality of man in the Declaration of Independence, he really meant all men, not just all white men.

The Founding generation grappled with this contradiction, yet also understood how deeply entrenched slavery was in American society.

While one can argue that they didn’t do nearly enough to extinguish the abominable practice in their own generation, it’s clear that there were serious attempts to put slavery on the path to extinction as soon as the country came into existence.

Debates erupted at the Constitutional Convention about what exactly to do about slavery, how to mitigate its effects, and how to put it on the ultimate path of extinction.

Gouverneur Morris, author of the preamble to the Constitution, said in one ferocious debate that slavery “was the curse of heaven on the states where it prevailed.”

James Madison, sometimes referred to as the “Father of the Constitution” for his role in cataloguing and shaping the debates at the Convention, said that it was wrong to admit in the Constitution the idea that there could be property in men.

The reality is, most of the Framers knew and stated that slavery was a bad thing. They knew, far more personally than we do today, what the effects of the institution were.

But unlike modern Americans, the Founders didn’t have the luxury of empty moralizing about the institution’s evils. They had to confront and deal with them in a practical way that would not also destroy a fragile new nation.

Hence, the Three-Fifths Compromise—an agreement that allowed slave states to partially count slaves in their political representation, yet also mitigated the South’s power.

This compromise was neither pro- nor anti-slavery, nor did it somehow concede that men kept in bondage were actually “three-fifths” of a human. This was purely a practical political compromise to hold the Union together while still avoiding the legal recognition of slavery.

Slaves were defined in the law as “other persons,” never as “slaves.”

The Founders took other measures to put slavery on the path to extinction, including the Northwest Ordinance, passed in 1787 under the Articles of Confederation and based on a plan devised by Jefferson in 1784, which forbade slavery in the states carved out of the Northwest Territory. Generations later, these states, like Ohio, Wisconsin, and Minnesota, provided the manpower the Union would need to win the Civil War.

And then, there was the Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves, which prohibited the slave trade by the year 1808."​

What the Founders Actually Thought About Slavery
 
Now contrast all of this with the NY Times' obscenely and deliberately dishonest attempt to hijack American history and lie to future generations with its "1619 Project." It openly identifies its goal as being to "reframe" America’s past as revolving around slavery and white supremacy...despite all the facts showing the opposite. It's about discrediting the past to replace adherence to the Constitution with something far less enlightened and legitimate.

Now you start to see what lying, treasonous scumbags the media are...or dare I say, "the enemy of the American people." :cool:
 
Arminius said:
Pete Buttigieg recently flat-out lied to a bunch of school children about the Founders not understanding "that slavery was a bad thing" (portray everything from the past as wrong and inferior...to justify throwing it all away and not having to follow the Constitution...which obstructs everything Democrats try to do). This is what passes for an elite-educated Rhodes scholar these days. Such stunningly ignorant Democrat misinformation reveals a total lack of exploration or understanding of our Founding (not to mention, of some of the wisest people ever to live)...and speaks volumes about why Democrats so utterly fail to comprehend the Constitution at every turn.

Basic facts that they apparently don't teach at Harvard:

-Slavery was seen like drugs are seen today. Doing drugs made you kind of a loser and degenerate, but no one is really going to tell you how to live your life. But being a dealer made you the scum of the Earth.

-The Founders loudly and often proclaimed slavery as an abomination, fought over how best to uproot it, and even condemned it in our original Founding document, the Declaration of Independence.

-The Founders banned the importation of new slaves, banned slavery in newly created states, and hashed out the Three-Fifths Compromise to "hold the Union together while still avoiding the legal recognition of slavery"...all to eventually eradicate it from our culture.

-The Founders were taking on the most advanced military on Earth, and couldn't simultaneously fix every single ancient injustice that had existed since the dawn of time all at once (slavery, women's rights, etc.)...therefore modern Democrats try to discredit, lie about, and dismiss some of the most enlightened minds in history and everything they accomplished as if they are all somehow morally invalid for only pulling off the miraculous quantum leap forward in governance that was the Constitution, and fundamentally transforming and liberating the world.

Awfully judgmental for permanently triggered crybully snowflakes who can't tell what bathroom to use. If Democrats were a fraction as informed, principled, intellectually advanced, or moral as the Founding Fathers were, 90% of this country's problems wouldn't exist right now.

What the Founders Actually Thought About Slavery
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Some of the founders were vocally anti slavery while they went home to farms where that had lots of them. Washington is an example. Lots of them were pro-slavery . https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Founding-Fathers-and-Slavery-1269536 9 presidents were slave owners. You rewrote history again.
 
When Arminius walks down the street and sees a black man he thinks, "you used to be my slave."


Who gives a rats ass what a racists POS posts about a present candidate.
 
Nordberg said:
Some of the founders were vocally anti slavery while they went home to farms where that had lots of them.
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Of course, hence the part about how complicated and time-consuming it was to uproot such an entrenched ancient practice from society while fighting the most advanced military on Earth.

Nordberg said:
Washington is an example. Lots of them were pro-slavery . https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Founding-Fathers-and-Slavery-1269536 9 presidents were slave owners. You rewrote history again.
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No part of this contradicts what I said. You're just struggling with literacy again.

Your argument is that the existence of literally any pro-slavery members of the Founding generation means that all the examples of them renouncing and trying to stop the practice (condemning it in the Declaration, banning the importation of new slaves, banning slavery in newly created states, and hashing out the Three-Fifths Compromise) somehow magically evaporate and they were all just bigots.

Your blatant dishonesty and deliberate refusal to comprehend the proof presented is not others "rewriting history." It's you being a biased partisan hack. :bs:

Try again, sleazy demagogue. :cool:
 
Sailor said:
You could not be more right. Micabwer's family is from the South. And he has bragged about his family owning slaves.
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Not surprising. All I know is that he's an unhinged partisan tantrum-thrower and hypocrite. :dunno:

But that's a whole other level of f----d up. :laugh:
 
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