But same sex marriage would destroy the institution

Southern Man said:
I certainty do share the Faith called "Christianity" with the Mormons. In fact, every one of them who I have known personally, without exception, has been a fine example of a Christian.
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You share some tenets with them, no doubt. You do not share their faith. You no more share one faith with Mormons than you share one faith of "Yahweh" with Jews and Muslims. There are endless interpretations of the bible and to some degree each man his own faith. They are just clumped into groups that wish to worship together around more general interpretations which form individual religions/faiths/sects/cults/covens/whatever.
 
Damocles said:
The US based a law on the majority religion's morality to specifically attack another religion, unconstitutionally. The evidence is in history. It wasn't until the LDS church began some rise in popularity that these laws were passed, specifically in Illinois, then later recognized by the Federal Government to restrict this particular religion from a practice it didn't find immoral. That the Federal Government refuses to "recognize" this particular type of marriage was set specifically against the Mormons, who at that time were setting up Utah, the laws were passed in the hopes that they would be unable to create their own state (which they wanted to name Deseret)...
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Correlation does not prove causation.
 
RStringfield said:
You share some tenets with them, no doubt. You do not share their faith. You no more share one faith with Mormons than you share one faith of "Yahweh" with Jews and Muslims. There are endless interpretations of the bible and to some degree each man his own faith. They are just clumped into groups that wish to worship together around more general interpretations which form individual religions/faiths/sects/cults/covens/whatever.
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You've made a lot of assumptions with regards to my faith. Do tell which aspect of the Mormons that I don't share.
 
RStringfield said:
So, in your opinion religion has had no influence over marriage practices in Western culture? That's good to know. It seems a strange argument, but maybe they find it interesting in your asylum.
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You are unable to answer the question so create a straw man followed by an ad-hom. That means you lose the debate. :)
 
Southern Man said:
You've made a lot of assumptions with regards to my faith. Do tell which aspect of the Mormons that I don't share.
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Magic underwear, marriage, who's priest has a direct connection to God, etc. I base that only on what you have said concerning your faith. If I have misunderstood that feel free to correct me.
 
RStringfield said:
Magic underwear, marriage, who's priest has a direct connection to God, etc. I base that only on what you have said concerning your faith. If I have misunderstood that feel free to correct me.
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Magic underwear? Direct connection to God? Where have I said anything to the effect?
 
Southern Man said:
Magic underwear? Direct connection to God? Where have I said anything to the effect?
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You believe in magic underwear?

As I recall, you claim to be Catholic. If I am in error please feel free to correct me. If you are so ignorant as not to know the differences between Catholicism and Mormonism or so intellectually dishonest as to be unwilling to acknowledge those differences, then there is no point in discussing the issue any further with you. You either lack the remedial knowledge necessary to keep up your part of the discussion or you are unwilling to approach the discussion sincerely.

I am not going to waste my time proving something everyone with a basic education knows. This might be worse than asking me to prove equal thirds. It's more like asking me to prove that 1 = 1.
 
RStringfield said:
You believe in magic underwear?

As I recall, you claim to be Catholic. If I am in error please feel free to correct me. If you are so ignorant as not to know the differences between Catholicism and Mormonism or so intellectually dishonest as to be unwilling to acknowledge those differences, then there is no point in discussing the issue any further with you. You either lack the remedial knowledge necessary to keep up your part of the discussion or you are unwilling to approach the discussion sincerely.

I am not going to waste my time proving something everyone with a basic education knows. This might be worse than asking me to prove equal thirds. It's more like asking me to prove that 1 = 1.
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I am a practicing Catholic, which means that I go to a Catholic Church periodically, and they provide some guidance and direction. My Faith is much more than that, and in no way is a blind recitation of Catholic doctrine.

Again, you've made a lot of assumptions with regards to my faith. Do tell which aspect of the Mormons that I don't share.

Or continue your ad-homs and bury yourself in defeat. :)
 
Southern Man said:
I am a practicing Catholic, which means that I go to a Catholic Church periodically, and they provide some guidance and direction. My Faith is much more than that, and in no way is a blind recitation of Catholic doctrine.

Again, you've made a lot of assumptions with regards to my faith. Do tell which aspect of the Mormons that I don't share.

Or continue your ad-homs and bury yourself in defeat. :)
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But you have admitted that you lie and cheat for money. Your sense of morality is for sale. Not exactly the solid set of rules you have claimed them to be.
 
Southern Man said:
I am a practicing Catholic, which means that I go to a Catholic Church periodically, and they provide some guidance and direction. My Faith is much more than that, and in no way is a blind recitation of Catholic doctrine.

Again, you've made a lot of assumptions with regards to my faith. Do tell which aspect of the Mormons that I don't share.

Or continue your ad-homs and bury yourself in defeat. :)
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I have made no assumptions and nothing you say conflicts with my comments concerning your faith. There are differences between the principles of Catholics and Mormons. If you are not aware of those I have mentioned several, but you really need to go ask someone that is willing to insure that you understand that 1=1. If I am to assume that you are so ignorant to honestly not know of the differences then there is little I can assume you do know. You are probably going to need flash cards or something. I am not a kindergarten or Sunday school teacher. I suggest you seek out their services and get back to us when you have learned the basics.
 
RStringfield said:
I have made no assumptions and nothing you say conflicts with my comments concerning your faith. There are differences between the principles of Catholics and Mormons. If you are not aware of those I have mentioned several, but you really need to go ask someone that is willing to insure that you understand that 1=1. If I am to assume that you are so ignorant to honestly not know of the differences then there is little I can assume you do know. You are probably going to need flash cards or something. I am not a kindergarten or Sunday school teacher. I suggest you seek out their services and get back to us when you have learned the basics.
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Backtracking, and more ad-homs. Your defeat is epic today. :)
 
Southern Man said:
Correlation does not prove causation.
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No, the direct statements of those who crafted the law does. Ignoring history won't change that history, ignoring the constitutional rights that we are guaranteed because the government used your religious dogma to violate those rights is just hypocrisy. There is nothing more hypocritical than a Christian who thinks he is "saving" your soul. Nothing can get in the way, even the constitution he otherwise would recite.
 
Damocles said:
No, the direct statements of those who crafted the law does.
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Then you should have no problem citing these statements as evidence supporting your assertion that the US based a law on Augustine's writings, and wrote this law specifically targeting the LDS Church. :)
 
Southern Man said:
Backtracking, and more ad-homs. Your defeat is epic today. :)
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:rolleyes:

Backtracking?

I am not making any ad-homs either. You claim to be unaware of the differences between Catholics and Mormons. Okay. That is not my problem and I don't care to tutor you. I have no desire to teach you enough so that you may intelligently discuss the topics I am interested in and that were being debated until you highlighted the handicaps you suffer. You are going to need to do your own homework on the basics and I will wait for someone else that is at the necessary level to discuss the issues that interest me.

It's like me trying to help you to develop more bat speed when you claim not to know which end of the bat to hold. You go back to t-ball and when you are done I will be here.

I have not said your ignorance makes your argument wrong (that would be an ad hom). It just makes you ignorant and discussion with you is not likely to be worth my time. I have wasted enough time explaining this already.
 
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