But global warming isn't happening?

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Dixie said:
Actually, there is LESS clear-cutting. They once built ships from wood. In the early days of our colonies, many were established on the need for wood in Europe, because they had clear-cut all the forests. There were South American tribes who vanished because the Spanish clear-cut all the forests. Native American tribes in Mexico, clear-cut their forests and burned land, believing it made the land more fertile for growing corn. We've had centuries of this stuff, and it hasn't destroyed the planet. When industrialization began, we literally smothered and killed entire communities in the early days, from toxic pollution generated into the atmosphere, in such bulk that it couldn't dissipate. In the past 50 years, we have DRAMATICALLY cut these things.
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Yeah, things are SO much better than they were 100-plus years ago.

Here, rube - here are some links you'll never click on that illustrate the effects of clearcutting and deforestation:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2005/oct/21/brazil.conservationandendangeredspecies

http://www.mongabay.com/brazil.html

http://web.mit.edu/africantech/www/articles/Deforestation.htm
 
Bijou said:
You're a stupid fucking idiot if you think things are better environmentally than they were prior to the past 100 years.
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I don't think there is any question about it. We didn't even think about environmental issues until the last century. Now if it were 50 years ago, I might agree with you, but in the past 50 years, we've done a tremendous amount to change how we treat the environment, and if you don't want to acknowledge that, I say it's a good example of why we really don't need to be doing a thing, what difference does it make...when we do make great strides in cleaning up our act, it's not acknowledged, so why bother?

When gold was discovered out west in the mid-1800s, we literally destroyed mountains with water cannons to get the gold, leaving behind useless sediment that nothing would grow in for decades, ruining millions of acres of potential farm land forever. Events like this pock human history, and they went on for centuries in the old world. It was only recently (past 50 years) that we even began to look at these problems concerning the environment. For the preceding 4 billion years, Earth looked after her own environment.
 
Dipshit said:
Yes, my little retarded friend, the globe does get warmer and cooler. It's been happening for hundreds of thousands of years.

and.... The sky is not falling.
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Right, and all the other pollutants released burning fossil fuels are good for us too, and natural right?

How did the 5 micrograms of mercury taste on your tuna sandwich today?
 
Dixie said:
I don't think there is any question about it. We didn't even think about environmental issues until the last century. Now if it were 50 years ago, I might agree with you, but in the past 50 years, we've done a tremendous amount to change how we treat the environment, and if you don't want to acknowledge that, I say it's a good example of why we really don't need to be doing a thing, what difference does it make...when we do make great strides in cleaning up our act, it's not acknowledged, so why bother?

When gold was discovered out west in the mid-1800s, we literally destroyed mountains with water cannons to get the gold, leaving behind useless sediment that nothing would grow in for decades, ruining millions of acres of potential farm land forever. Events like this pock human history, and they went on for centuries in the old world. It was only recently (past 50 years) that we even began to look at these problems concerning the environment. For the preceding 4 billion years, Earth looked after her own environment.
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Wrong again shit for brains. Millions of acres of farmland were not washed away or ruined forever. We have terra-forming capabilities now. Additionally, I would rather see a few mountains hosed away with water cannons than a million tons of dioxin dupont has produced and released on the earth.
 
Most humans on the planet didn't even notice when the Incan and Mayan cultures collapsed and their languages and religions were lost, or when the Sumerians vanished and their language and religion were forgotten.

But if our culture goes, it will probably take all of humanity with it. It will probably take most of the large mammals on the planet - actually, it already has. We've already killed off 90 percent of the big fish that were in the world's oceans just sixty years ago. Since the first days of our culture, we've laid waste to more than half of the world's forest (3 billion of 7.5 billion hectares), and we're burning and slashing through the world's rain forests at a current rate of 16 million hectares per year, meaning by the end of this century they could all be gone. More than 50 percent of the world's topsoil is already gone.

The Iroquois Confederacy had a "law" that every decision had to be made in the context of its impact on the seventh subsequent generation. Given the current velocity of our trend lines, if there is not a sea change in our cultural beliefs and actions within the current generation (that means you and me), there may no longer be humans on this planet in seven generations.

Any notion that we're doing just fine is pure bullshit.
 
Rune said:
Wrong again shit for brains. Millions of acres of farmland were not washed away or ruined forever. We have terra-forming capabilities now. Additionally, I would rather see a few mountains hosed away with water cannons than a million tons of dioxin dupont has produced and released on the earth.
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Well no, it's well documented in history, go look it up! We do have terra-forming capabilities now, we didn't know what the hell 'terra-form' meant in the 1800s. We washed away the topsoil to get the gold and silver, and there were no nutrients in the soil that remained, it was sediment from the mountain, nothing would grow in it. Also, it altered water tables and natural barriers to elements, which destroyed the environment even more.

But now, I see you are wanting to run away from your argument about how we've treated the environment in the past, and rail on DuPont for dioxin. Well, Mezzo-Americans released dioxins into the atmosphere when they burned forests. No telling how many millions of tons of dioxins were released in the early days of industrialization, before we even knew what the hell they were. You want to pretend that since we didn't know back then, it didn't happen, but it did. We just didn't have the brainiacs to tell us we were destroying the planet back then.
 
Bijou said:
Tell us, rube - has man been 'clearcutting forests for centuries' on the scale that they've been decimated during the last 100 years? Same effect forever - right rube?

How about factory-farming, rube? Were the feedlots providing 20 million cows per year prior to the last 100 years?

Hey rube - is the rate of human population growth over the past 100 years the same as it's always been 'for hundreds of thousands of years'?
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If you are really so concerned for the planet then you should be calling on Muslims clerics and Catholic bishops to speak out against over population.
 
Dixie said:
I don't think there is any question about it. We didn't even think about environmental issues until the last century. Now if it were 50 years ago, I might agree with you, but in the past 50 years, we've done a tremendous amount to change how we treat the environment, and if you don't want to acknowledge that, I say it's a good example of why we really don't need to be doing a thing, what difference does it make...when we do make great strides in cleaning up our act, it's not acknowledged, so why bother?

When gold was discovered out west in the mid-1800s, we literally destroyed mountains with water cannons to get the gold, leaving behind useless sediment that nothing would grow in for decades, ruining millions of acres of potential farm land forever. Events like this pock human history, and they went on for centuries in the old world. It was only recently (past 50 years) that we even began to look at these problems concerning the environment. For the preceding 4 billion years, Earth looked after her own environment.
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There is a lot in what you say, until the latter half of the 20th century there was very little awareness of environmental issues. Look at how bodies of water like Lake Erie have been cleaned up, so much so that mayflies have returned in great numbers. In the 70s the lake was virtually dead for the most part.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
There is a lot in what you say, until the latter half of the 20th century there was very little awareness of environmental issues. Look at how bodies of water like Lake Erie have been cleaned up, so much so that mayflies have returned in great numbers. In the 70s the lake was virtually dead for the most part.
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No doubt the air is cleaner today, the water in our lakes and oceans is cleaner today, and our highways are not littered with trash thrown out the window....It is a great testament to how what liberals want is never enough, but also that man can be a good steward of the land. I personally don't think that the latest wave of 'man is bad' religious type slavery promoted by radicals is anything more than population control in the end.
 
j-mac said:
No doubt the air is cleaner today, the water in our lakes and oceans is cleaner today, and our highways are not littered with trash thrown out the window....
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Are you pretending that you supported the environmental regulations that made those things happen?
 
j-mac said:
No doubt the air is cleaner today, the water in our lakes and oceans is cleaner today, and our highways are not littered with trash thrown out the window....It is a great testament to how what liberals want is never enough, but also that man can be a good steward of the land. I personally don't think that the latest wave of 'man is bad' religious type slavery promoted by radicals is anything more than population control in the end.
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They didn't come about through altruism, it was legislation and government agencies policing the environment that made that happen.
 
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