Darth Omar
Russian asset
What happened to hands up don't shoot? They shot the dude with his hands up.
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Bundy scumbags get their spokeman killed
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Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Perhaps he smarted-off to them. Cops hate that, you know...
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Yeah...but where's the outrage?
Mr.Badguy
Super lefty
It's wherever the proof you have that his hands were raised is.
You forgot he was white, they don't care so much if your white.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
I am sure the usual crop of Right Wing talking heads will do all they can to generate some "outrage".
Just give them time.
christiefan915
Catalyst
No, they shot him when his hand went to his belt to reach for his gun.
christiefan915
Catalyst
I'm sorry that he was killed also. He was surrounded by armed men and I wonder what he was thinking by trying to go for his gun.
Here's a man who had a wife, 11 kids and 19 grandkids, and he apparently thought they weren't worth living for.
Cancel 2016.2
The Almighty
You mean like Michael Brown?
I suspect he didn't want to look like a coward. He had sworn not to be taken alive, he seemed like a proud man. It was ego that led him to go for his gun.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
The 11 kids were all Foster kids obtained for free labor on his ranch.
The man was insane.
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
FBI STATEMENT;
Clarification: We've received a few questions about the date/time stamp in the left corner of the
video. Pilots use Zulu Time (also known as Greenwich Mean Time (GMT)) when they fly. Zulu
time is 8 hours ahead of Pacific Standard Time (PST)... thus the date/time stamp would show just
after midnight for January 27, 2016.
Good evening. My name is Greg Bretzing, and I am the Special Agent in Charge of the FBI in
Oregon.
We have quite a bit of information to share with you tonight concerning the occupation of the
Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
First, I would like to confirm that as of this morning one more person left the refuge through a
checkpoint. We believe there are four others who currently remain on the refuge. Since the
establishment of checkpoints, a total of nine people have left the refuge. Of those, the FBI
released six and arrested three.
Secondly, I would like to confirm that the FBI and Oregon State Police have narrowed the
containment zones. This was done to make it more convenient for those who live and work in the
immediate area of the refuge to go about their business. To this end, Highway 205 is now open in
both directions.
There has been some media reporting that the situation at the refuge is resolved. That is NOT
true. Again, we still believe there are occupiers on the refuge. The negotiators continue to work
around the clock to talk to those four people in an effort to get them to come out peacefully.
Thirdly, we know there is quite a bit of interest related to the events as they occurred on
Highway 395 on Tuesday afternoon. We know there are various versions of what occurred
during this event: most inaccurate, some inflammatory. To that end, we want to do what we can
to lay out an honest and unfiltered view of what happened and how it happened.
FBI agents and Oregon State Police troopers were involved in this operation. During this
operation, OSP troopers utilized deadly force due to their proximity to LaVoy Finicum as the
situation unfolded. Because of this, the Deschutes County Major Incident Team is conducting the
outside review of the shooting per Oregon State law and established protocols. Because of that
on-going investigation, I will not be able to answer every question you have... but hopefully we
will give the public some clarity as to what occurred.
At approximately 4:25 pm on Tuesday, January 26, 2016, FBI and OSP began a law enforcement
action to bring into custody the people riding in two separate vehicles as they traveled between
Burns and John Day. The FBI did have a plane in the air, and what I am about to show you is a
video from that plane. A couple of notes about the video before we watch it.
*The plane is following the vehicles, and the camera sometimes pans from one vehicle to the
other... a white truck in front and a jeep in back. At other times when the vehicles are in a fixed
location, the plane is flying in a pattern over that location. Because of that flight pattern, there are
portions where trees obscure what is happening. The details that I am about to provide to you are
based both on an analysis of this video and some ground-level observations of agents and
troopers on the scene.
*Because the operation lasted more than 25 minutes, we are showing you two of the most
pertinent clips today. The entire unedited video from the start of the traffic stop through the
surrender of all individuals will be available to the media and the general public on the FBI's
YouTube channel.
*Because I am using some very specific language to describe what is happening, the entire
transcript of my comments will be posted to www.flashalertbend.net.
*I want to caution you that the video does show the shooting death of LaVoy Finicum. We
realize that viewing that piece of the video will be upsetting to some people, but we feel that it is
necessary to show the whole thing unedited in the interest of transparency.
The video picks up a few seconds before the FBI and OSP vehicles pull in behind the jeep -- the
second vehicle in line. The jeep quickly pulls to a stop while the white truck -- driven by LaVoy
Finicum -- continues some distance up the road. Some law enforcement vehicles stay with the
jeep while others continue following the white truck. Over a period of several minutes out of
camera view, the following people exit the jeep without incident:
*The driver -- who was not charged and will not be named
*Ammon Bundy
*Brian Cavalier
Looking at the white truck... about four minutes into the video ... Ryan Payne exits through a
back door. It's difficult to see behind the trees, but in the lower right hand corner you can see him
with his hands up being approached by the law enforcement officers and being taken into
custody.
There is a period of approximately 3 minutes and 47 seconds where the truck sits on the road.
We have edited it for time here, but it is available in the raw, unedited version on the FBI's
YouTube channel. Throughout this time, agents and troopers are providing verbal commands to
the occupants to surrender. We can't comment on what may have been going on in the truck at
this time, but those details may come out later as part of the overall shooting investigation.
When we come back to the video, the white truck leaves the scene at a high rate of speed. It
travels some distance... quickly approaching a vehicle roadblock in the roadway.
As the white truck approaches the roadblock, there is a spike strip across the road but it appears
Finicum missed it as he attempted to drive around the roadblock. He nearly hits an FBI agent as
he maneuvers to the left. The truck gets stuck in the snowbank.
Finicum leaves the truck and steps through the snow. Agents and troopers on scene had
information that Finicum and others would be armed. On at least two occasions, Finicum reaches
his right hand toward a pocket on the left inside portion of his jacket. He did have a loaded 9 mm
semi-automatic handgun in that pocket.
At this time, OSP troopers shot Finicum.
Approximately 30 seconds after the shooting -- law enforcement officers at the scene deployed
flash bangs to disorient any other armed occupants. Shortly after that, they deployed less-lethal
sponge projectiles with OC capsules. Those OC capsules would be similar to pepper spray.
Over a period of several minutes agents and troopers worked to safely remove the remaining
truck occupants, and to take them into custody. Those people included:
*Ryan Bundy
*Shawna Cox
*And another woman, who was not arrested and will not be named
As soon as the agents and troopers were confident that they had addressed any further threats,
they provided medical assistance to Finicum. That happened about 10 minutes after the shooting.
Agents and troopers did find 3 other loaded weapons inside the truck. They included two loaded .
223 caliber semi-automatic rifles. There was also one loaded .38 special revolver.
Again, you can see the rest of this unedited video on the FBI's YouTube channel.
Finally -- again -- I want to acknowledge the stress and disruption that the occupation of the
refuge has caused has to the people of Harney County. We know this is difficult. We know that
you want this concluded as soon as possible. We are doing everything we can to bring this to a
resolution safely and quickly.
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/fbi_to_release_video_footage_o.html
Clarification: We've received a few questions about the date/time stamp in the left corner of the
video. Pilots use Zulu Time (also known as Greenwich Mean Time (GMT)) when they fly. Zulu
time is 8 hours ahead of Pacific Standard Time (PST)... thus the date/time stamp would show just
after midnight for January 27, 2016.
Good evening. My name is Greg Bretzing, and I am the Special Agent in Charge of the FBI in
Oregon.
We have quite a bit of information to share with you tonight concerning the occupation of the
Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
First, I would like to confirm that as of this morning one more person left the refuge through a
checkpoint. We believe there are four others who currently remain on the refuge. Since the
establishment of checkpoints, a total of nine people have left the refuge. Of those, the FBI
released six and arrested three.
Secondly, I would like to confirm that the FBI and Oregon State Police have narrowed the
containment zones. This was done to make it more convenient for those who live and work in the
immediate area of the refuge to go about their business. To this end, Highway 205 is now open in
both directions.
There has been some media reporting that the situation at the refuge is resolved. That is NOT
true. Again, we still believe there are occupiers on the refuge. The negotiators continue to work
around the clock to talk to those four people in an effort to get them to come out peacefully.
Thirdly, we know there is quite a bit of interest related to the events as they occurred on
Highway 395 on Tuesday afternoon. We know there are various versions of what occurred
during this event: most inaccurate, some inflammatory. To that end, we want to do what we can
to lay out an honest and unfiltered view of what happened and how it happened.
FBI agents and Oregon State Police troopers were involved in this operation. During this
operation, OSP troopers utilized deadly force due to their proximity to LaVoy Finicum as the
situation unfolded. Because of this, the Deschutes County Major Incident Team is conducting the
outside review of the shooting per Oregon State law and established protocols. Because of that
on-going investigation, I will not be able to answer every question you have... but hopefully we
will give the public some clarity as to what occurred.
At approximately 4:25 pm on Tuesday, January 26, 2016, FBI and OSP began a law enforcement
action to bring into custody the people riding in two separate vehicles as they traveled between
Burns and John Day. The FBI did have a plane in the air, and what I am about to show you is a
video from that plane. A couple of notes about the video before we watch it.
*The plane is following the vehicles, and the camera sometimes pans from one vehicle to the
other... a white truck in front and a jeep in back. At other times when the vehicles are in a fixed
location, the plane is flying in a pattern over that location. Because of that flight pattern, there are
portions where trees obscure what is happening. The details that I am about to provide to you are
based both on an analysis of this video and some ground-level observations of agents and
troopers on the scene.
*Because the operation lasted more than 25 minutes, we are showing you two of the most
pertinent clips today. The entire unedited video from the start of the traffic stop through the
surrender of all individuals will be available to the media and the general public on the FBI's
YouTube channel.
*Because I am using some very specific language to describe what is happening, the entire
transcript of my comments will be posted to www.flashalertbend.net.
*I want to caution you that the video does show the shooting death of LaVoy Finicum. We
realize that viewing that piece of the video will be upsetting to some people, but we feel that it is
necessary to show the whole thing unedited in the interest of transparency.
The video picks up a few seconds before the FBI and OSP vehicles pull in behind the jeep -- the
second vehicle in line. The jeep quickly pulls to a stop while the white truck -- driven by LaVoy
Finicum -- continues some distance up the road. Some law enforcement vehicles stay with the
jeep while others continue following the white truck. Over a period of several minutes out of
camera view, the following people exit the jeep without incident:
*The driver -- who was not charged and will not be named
*Ammon Bundy
*Brian Cavalier
Looking at the white truck... about four minutes into the video ... Ryan Payne exits through a
back door. It's difficult to see behind the trees, but in the lower right hand corner you can see him
with his hands up being approached by the law enforcement officers and being taken into
custody.
There is a period of approximately 3 minutes and 47 seconds where the truck sits on the road.
We have edited it for time here, but it is available in the raw, unedited version on the FBI's
YouTube channel. Throughout this time, agents and troopers are providing verbal commands to
the occupants to surrender. We can't comment on what may have been going on in the truck at
this time, but those details may come out later as part of the overall shooting investigation.
When we come back to the video, the white truck leaves the scene at a high rate of speed. It
travels some distance... quickly approaching a vehicle roadblock in the roadway.
As the white truck approaches the roadblock, there is a spike strip across the road but it appears
Finicum missed it as he attempted to drive around the roadblock. He nearly hits an FBI agent as
he maneuvers to the left. The truck gets stuck in the snowbank.
Finicum leaves the truck and steps through the snow. Agents and troopers on scene had
information that Finicum and others would be armed. On at least two occasions, Finicum reaches
his right hand toward a pocket on the left inside portion of his jacket. He did have a loaded 9 mm
semi-automatic handgun in that pocket.
At this time, OSP troopers shot Finicum.
Approximately 30 seconds after the shooting -- law enforcement officers at the scene deployed
flash bangs to disorient any other armed occupants. Shortly after that, they deployed less-lethal
sponge projectiles with OC capsules. Those OC capsules would be similar to pepper spray.
Over a period of several minutes agents and troopers worked to safely remove the remaining
truck occupants, and to take them into custody. Those people included:
*Ryan Bundy
*Shawna Cox
*And another woman, who was not arrested and will not be named
As soon as the agents and troopers were confident that they had addressed any further threats,
they provided medical assistance to Finicum. That happened about 10 minutes after the shooting.
Agents and troopers did find 3 other loaded weapons inside the truck. They included two loaded .
223 caliber semi-automatic rifles. There was also one loaded .38 special revolver.
Again, you can see the rest of this unedited video on the FBI's YouTube channel.
Finally -- again -- I want to acknowledge the stress and disruption that the occupation of the
refuge has caused has to the people of Harney County. We know this is difficult. We know that
you want this concluded as soon as possible. We are doing everything we can to bring this to a
resolution safely and quickly.
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/fbi_to_release_video_footage_o.html
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
While it's really cool to say you wish they would have done more, why don't you offer some suggestions??
Leonthecat
Racism Watchdog
And go for his gun he did.
It was no secret to the FBI that Lavoy carried a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun in his inner left jacket pocket.
As can be seen in the video, when his right hand went there, agents had no choice but to shoot to kill.