Buck: ‘I won’t support a convicted felon for the White House’

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I doubt if it will even go to trial since no laws were broken

It’s just another show hit job by the democrats

This is quite possible.

 

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If they "speed" it, he could be by the time of the next general election.

A convicted felon can run for president (it's been done before). But seriously, would you still support him?

He would be swearing he was an "innocent man", victim of a witch hunt, etc etc. Would you believe him?

Yes. He is.

 

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There are plenty of innocent convicts

Unfortunately. If that happens here, it will not happen quietly.

 

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you are delusional

If it was that cut and dried, the grand jury would of tossed it.

The only way this does not go to trial is Trump pleads out

Not a conviction, dumbass.

 

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not may be.

Yes. May be.

it means they decided enough evidence exists

They can't.

this is going to trial.

Not necessarily.

the judge won't dismiss a grandy jury indictment without cause

A judge can do exactly that!

 

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no, sophomoric bullshit.

he may keep his documents, his clipping, and his notes

He may not keep agency records that he was allowed to hold while being president

Yes he can.

this is not a banana republic

Bananas aren't a form of government.

where Biden has to beg or bribe him to give back classified docs

Biden has no such authority.

 

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Most of the charges against Trump relate to violations of the Espionage Act, as I detailed in another thread:
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...al-defenders-are-saying&p=5667565#post5667565

Did a district court rule that the Espionage Act does not apply to a former president? That would be a remarkable milestone in US legal history!

No court has authority to limit the authority of any President (or former President).
Cliche fallacy. No 'milestone'.

 

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The PRA allows him to keep whatever he wants

In law there are specific laws and general laws

The courts have always said that specific laws override general laws

The PRA is specific because it only applies to the president while the espionage act applies to everyone

Also whenever there is a direct conflict between laws they always go with the most recent one

They also MUST conform to the Constitution, which gives Trump the authority to retain any document he wishes.

 

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No, proof of intent is NOT required. Read the link I cited:

Under the law, prosecutors will not be required to prove that Mr Trump knew that the information he possessed could harm national security, but rather that any reasonable person would understand the harm it could do. They will instead focus on Mr Trump's efforts to retain the information, even after being given multiple opportunities to surrender it to authorities.
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...al-defenders-are-saying&p=5667565#post5667565


As for your post #12, the argument seems to be that there were many allegations against Trump but no indictments for seven years, which shows he was the victim of a witch hunt.

Now he has been indicted - twice in two months - and that shows he is the victim of a witch hunt.

Maybe we should agree that as long as the sun rises in the east, Trump is the victim of a witch hunt.

Trump doesn't have to surrender any document to 'the authorities' or any other unauthorized personnel.

 

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This is what you wrote in post #12:
“What I see is allegations on top of allegations which have never been proven. 7 years plus and not one conviction.”

That is what I responded to. Where did I misrepresent it? I replaced “conviction” with “indictment”, because of course an indictment is required before there can be a conviction. For four of those years there could be no indictments because Trump was president.

There were two impeachment motions, which is a record, but they were blocked by the GOP majority in the Senate. (In the second impeachment, seven Republican senators voted to convict, which is also a record, but that was not enough for the required super-majority.)

Impeachment is indictment.