Brexit legal challenge: MPs 'very likely' to be able to vote to ratify Brexit

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Brexit legal challenge: MPs 'very likely' to be able to vote to ratify Brexit, says No 10 lawyer

A lawyer representing the UK Government has said it is "very likely" MPs will be able to vote on the final Brexit agreement between the UK and the European Union.

James Eadie QC was speaking in the High Court as part of the final day of the hearing to decide whether Prime Minister Theresa May can trigger Article 50 without parliamentary approval.

Downing Street has since confirmed that he was representing the Government's position.

The judges have said they will rule on the historic legal challenge "as quickly as possible".

Lord Chief Justice Lord Thomas, Master of the Rolls Sir Terence Etherton and Lord Justice Sales reserved their decision on Tuesday at the end of a three-day hearing.

After hearing closing submissions from lawyers at the High Court in London, Lord Thomas announced: "We shall take time to consider the matter and give our judgment as quickly as possible."

A number of applicants have challenged Theresa May's strategy for Brexit in what has been described as one of the most important constitutional cases in generations.

They argue that the prime minister has no legal power to trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty to leave the European Union without the prior authorisation of Parliament.

Mrs May announced at the Conservative Party conference that she intends doing so by the end of March 2017.

The judges have heard submissions that the Government lacks legal power to use the royal prerogative to notify Article 50 and begin the process of removing statutory rights granted to UK citizens under the European Communities Act 1972, which made EU law part of UK law.

Government lawyers say that if the challenge succeeds, the Government "could not give effect to the will and decision of the people, as clearly expressed in the referendum, to withdraw from the EU without further primary legislation".

Because of the urgency and constitutional importance of the case, any appeal is expected to be heard by the Supreme Court, the highest court in the land, before the end of the year.

What is the difference between hard and soft Bexit?

After repeatedly stating that “Brexit means Brexit”, Theresa May has confirmed she will trigger Britain’s exit from the European Union by the end of March 2017, beginning two years of formal negotiations.

But despite this timescale, speculation remains over what kind of relationship the UK will develop with our partners after we leave the bloc.

There are a myriad of possible post-EU arrangements being discussed and, although there are no definitive definitions, they can be loosely categorised as “hard” or “soft” Brexit options.

Theresa May accused of using Queen's power to push hard Brexit

In her opening speech to the Conservative conference, the Prime Minister unveiled a tougher stance on EU withdrawal than she has previously taken, by seemingly backing a hard Brexit with controls on immigration at its core.

"Let me be clear," said Ms May. "We are not leaving the European Union only to give up control of immigration again. And we are not leaving only to return to the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice," adding those wanting to do everything possible to preserve access to the single market were looking at Brexit the "wrong way".

So, what is Hard Brexit?

Favoured by ardent Brexiteers, a hard Brexit arrangement would likely see the UK give up full access to the single market and full access of the customs union along with the EU.

The arrangement would prioritise giving Britain full control over its borders, making new trade deals and applying laws within its own territory.

Initially, this would mean the UK would likely fall back on World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules for trade with its former EU partners.

What are the pros and cons?

The International Trade Secretary, Liam Fox, has said a hard approach would benefit the UK by making it a global trading nation. He said that "the UK is a full and founding member of the WTO", during a speech in Geneva last Tuesday,

German business leaders have expressed a similar view. Markus Kerber of the German BDI group told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "It's better to have a hard Brexit that works than to have a fudge in the middle that has to be renegotiated or doesn't politically work and you have uncertainty lingering on."

A hard Brexit, however, could see British goods and services subject to tariffs, adding 10 per cent, for example, to the cost of exported cars. While sectors such as agriculture could lose protections against cheap imports from abroad.

Leaving the customs union would mean a significant increase in bureaucratic checks on goods passing through ports and airports. And nations such as the US and Australia have said that reaching a new trade agreements with the EU would take priority.

And what is soft Brexit?

This approach would leave the UK's relationship with the EU as close as possible to the existing arrangements, and is preferred by many Remainers.

The UK would no longer be a member of the EU and would not have a seat on the European Council. It would lose its MEPs and its European Commissioner. But, it would keep unfettered access to the European single market.

Goods and services would be traded with the remaining EU states on a tariff-free basis and financial firms would keep their "passporting" rights to sell services and operate branches in the EU. Britain would remain within the EU's customs union, meaning that exports would not be subject to border checks.

National models for this sort of deal include Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein, which are not members of the EU but have access to the single market by being part of the European Economic Area.

In return, these countries must make payments into EU budgets and accept the "four freedoms" of movement of goods, services, capital and people. They are subject to EU law through the Luxembourg-based EFTA Court. Switzerland has a similar arrangement through a series of regularly updated treaties.

It is likely that a "soft Brexit" deal would insist on Britain observing the "four freedoms", meaning continued free access for European nationals to work and settle in the UK.

What are the pros and cons?

Pro-EU MPs argue that maintaining “proper connections” with the EU’s trading arrangements is a matter of national interest.

Senior Conservative MP Neil Carmichael has said a "harsh Brexit" must be avoided at all costs suggesting it could "damage our economy, damage our capacity as a nation to perform capably in the future and actually damage Europe.”


May says those trying to delay Brexit are insulting British intelligence

Kathleen Brooks, director of research at City Index, said a ‘hard Brexit’, is likely to come “at the cost” of a period of economic disruption, which is “likely to be negative for the pound".

Experts warn that London’s position as a financial hub will be dealt a severe blow if the UK left the single market. However, that access is contingent on countries agreeing to let European Union citizens live and work anywhere in the bloc.

Theresa May claimed people who talk about a “trade-off” between controlling immigration and trading with Europe are looking at things the “wrong way”, arguing that soft Brexit is "subverting" democracy and attempting to "kill" the process by "delaying it".
 
It can be safely said that most of those who voted for Brexit were not intending hard Brexit, they didn't want total severance for Europe. They wanted Norwegian like terms. But Theresa May, hellbent on keeping immigrants out at all costs because she's a bigot, is forcing it upon Britain. They'll be treated like a random African country in terms of trade deals, the single market and customs union will come to an end and Britain will crash. A new vote must be held, specifically on the hard Brexit Theresa May wants to shove down the throats of honest, hardworking Britons, and Theresa May should resign if she loses.
 
It can be safely said that most of those who voted for Brexit were not intending hard Brexit, they didn't want total severance for Europe. They wanted Norwegian like terms. But Theresa May, hellbent on keeping immigrants out at all costs because she's a bigot, is forcing it upon Britain. They'll be treated like a random African country in terms of trade deals, the single market and customs union will come to an end and Britain will crash. A new vote must be held, specifically on the hard Brexit Theresa May wants to shove down the throats of honest, hardworking Britons, and Theresa May should resign if she loses.

or you know you could have won the actual vote. Should we have a do over everytime your preferred outcome doesnt happen?
 
or you know you could have won the actual vote. Should we have a do over everytime your preferred outcome doesnt happen?

Taking the vague wording of the question as a mandate for a hard Brexit is absurd. Many were expecting a soft Brexit, and not many of that tiny majority would have to desert to leave fascism without a majority. Theresa May has no mandate for hard Brexit, she is acting like a tyrant and forcing this disastrous path down the throats of the British people.
 
Kill yourself. Fascist enemy. You're going to destroy western civilization, you fucking Nazi. The far right should be banned. We should nip this problem in the bud.
 
The far right needs to be dealt with harshly. It is like a cancer that continues to metastasize. We must ban the far right, strip people with far right leanings of citizenship and political privileges, and restore freedom.

Liberalism will destroy itself with its naive and reckless toleration of this national cancer.
 
The Brexit vote has no legitimacy. People who voted for Brexit aren't British and should be stripped of citizenship. Voting for Brexit is equivalent to renouncing your nation. You've become a fascist, a national enemy.
 
Hope your employer likes all its contracts with european business being cut as they seek alternatives within Europe that aren't subject to tariffs and trade barriers. WTO rules don't even apply to the service sector, you have no protections outside of the EU.
 
Tom, when you made the stupidest single decision of your life and voted against your country's interest, what was it you said to me? "Oh, Norway's out of the EU! They're doing just fine!" Well guess what, you're not getting Norway's deal. This is uncharted territory. You're pulling out of the single market. You're going to have tariffs erected against you. You're going to revert to WTO rules. So, what? You lied. Brexiters lied. Norway is not an example of what Britain can be under fascism, Britain has decided to enter uncharted territory. It has decided to become an isolated hermit kingdom, much like North Korea.
 
We don't want Norway's deal, we want much the same deal as the CETA on with Canada. We don't want to be in the single market or the Customs Union. We want access to the single market in the same way that the US, Korea and host of other countries have without paying into the EU.

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Tom, when you made the stupidest single decision of your life and voted against your country's interest, what was it you said to me? "Oh, Norway's out of the EU! They're doing just fine!" Well guess what, you're not getting Norway's deal. This is uncharted territory. You're pulling out of the single market. You're going to have tariffs erected against you. You're going to revert to WTO rules. So, what? You lied. Brexiters lied. Norway is not an example of what Britain can be under fascism, Britain has decided to enter uncharted territory. It has decided to become an isolated hermit kingdom, much like North Korea.
Thank you for your interest but the EU is going down in flames!!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/722697/Deutsche-Bank-collapse-Germany-European-Union

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It can be safely said that most of those who voted for Brexit were not intending hard Brexit, they didn't want total severance for Europe. They wanted Norwegian like terms. But Theresa May, hellbent on keeping immigrants out at all costs because she's a bigot, is forcing it upon Britain. They'll be treated like a random African country in terms of trade deals, the single market and customs union will come to an end and Britain will crash. A new vote must be held, specifically on the hard Brexit Theresa May wants to shove down the throats of honest, hardworking Britons, and Theresa May should resign if she loses.

How did Britain manage to trade prior to the EU? Can you tell us?
 
How did Britain manage to trade prior to the EU? Can you tell us?
We don't want the Norway solution, they have to accept total free movement, pay into the EU budget yet have no say in decision making. We would rather pull out of the Single Market altogether, even if that mean trading under WTO rules. Germany sold the UK 800,000 cars last year, they would soon start squealing if they had to lay off workers big time. French farmers would also start riots if their cheese and wine wasn't being bought by us.

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It can be safely said that most of those who voted for Brexit were not intending hard Brexit, they didn't want total severance for Europe. They wanted Norwegian like terms. But Theresa May, hellbent on keeping immigrants out at all costs because she's a bigot, is forcing it upon Britain. They'll be treated like a random African country in terms of trade deals, the single market and customs union will come to an end and Britain will crash. A new vote must be held, specifically on the hard Brexit Theresa May wants to shove down the throats of honest, hardworking Britons, and Theresa May should resign if she loses.
We don't want to keep immigrants out, we want the ability to control our borders. We will never say no to people with useful skills like doctors or nurses from India and the Philippines for instance. What we do want to stop is the wholesale immigration of low skill, poorly educated groups like the Roma from Hungary, Slovakia and Romania.

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or you know you could have won the actual vote. Should we have a do over everytime your preferred outcome doesnt happen?
You never can tell if Waterspout is just trolling or just giving us all a piece of his mind. Trouble is he doesn't have that much to spare, he really ought to use it more sparingly.

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