Brewer: Most illegal immigrants are smuggling drugs

[Timshel]

Would you care to present how refering to an illegal immigrant, as an illegal immigrant, is dehumizing??

Am I making a case against the term "illegal immigrant?" Nope.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

You were guaranteed a Republic not a people's republic. The land is not owned collectively and there is no trespass.

Yes there is.
We the people have decided that we want our Representative Government to enact such a law and to make it affective.
You're going to lose on this one; but you're more then welcome to continue kicking rocks.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Am I making a case against the term "illegal immigrant?" Nope.

Youi're the one that brought it up.
If you have no support for your assertions, just say so.

 

[Legion Troll's Troll]

USFreedumb666 is an illegal intellectual. Or we could just call him, USassbandit911.

 

[Legion Troll's Troll]

20 million paying no taxes for what 2 decades already. Tax those muther fuckers. And most illegals aren't drug smuggles like that old hag slut said.

Are drug smuggles a new type of smurf?

 

[Timshel]

Youi're the one that brought it up.
If you have no support for your assertions, just say so.

I brought up "illegal trespasser" which is nothing but blatant propaganda and you have failed to support it.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I brought up "illegal trespasser" which is nothing but blatant propaganda and you have failed to support it.

You also brought up illegal immigrants and I did address the iillegal tresapass issue.
Just because you have nothing to support your angst against it, doesn't mean that it wasn't addressed or supported.

 

[Timshel]

You also brought up illegal immigrants and I did address the iillegal tresapass issue.
Just because you have nothing to support your angst against it, doesn't mean that it wasn't addressed or supported.

Nothing to support my angst? Trespass is a crime against a person or his property. Immigration, illegal or otherwise, is not such a crime. The people of Arizona do not own the land collectively and so there can be no trespass against them collectively.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Nothing to support my angst? Trespass is a crime against a person or his property. Immigration, illegal or otherwise, is not such a crime. The people of Arizona do not own the land collectively and so there can be no trespass against them collectively.

Really!!

So it is your belief that you can't be held trespassing, except on the private property of a person and that there are no laws, regarding trespassing, on public land.

 

[Timshel]

Really!!

So it is your belief that you can't be held trespassing, except on the private property of a person and that there are no laws, regarding trespassing, on public land.

Of course, the government may own pieces of land and act a steward of that land. It does not own all land.

 

[Adam Weinberg]

How are they trespassing? It's propaganda based on collectivist/communist ideas about property rights.

I disagree. What right of self-determination do people in a country have if they have no right to determine who may or may not enter their country to assure their own security?


Obviously taken to an extreme authoritarian conclusion this could be a despotic power, but not all authority is authoritarian.

Granted, an anarchist will disagree. But that is simply another extreme with potentially perverse consequences.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Of course, the government may own pieces of land and act a steward of that land. It does not own all land.

And as a steward, the Government of AZ is going to enforce trespassing laws for illegal immigrants found in AZ.

 

[Timshel]

I disagree. What right of self-determination do people in a country have if they have no right to determine who may or may not enter their country to assure their own security?

The right to self determination does not include the right to deny someone else the right of movement. Our founders certainly did not believe that the right to bar entry was fundamental.

 

[Timshel]

And as a steward, the Government of AZ is going to enforce trespassing laws for illegal immigrants found in AZ.

You are being purposefully obtuse. The government does not own all land and is not entitled to act as steward over all land.

 

[Adam Weinberg]

The right to self determination does not include the right to deny someone else the right of movement. Our founders certainly did not believe that the right to bar entry was fundamental.

A uniform rule of naturalization, and necessary and proper laws to enforce it?

 

[Liberty]

The right to self determination does not include the right to deny someone else the right of movement. Our founders certainly did not believe that the right to bar entry was fundamental.

The founders didn't have welfare as an issue either.

 

[Timshel]

A uniform rule of naturalization, and necessary and proper laws to enforce it?

Naturalization is how an immigrant becomes a citizen. There were no laws against immigration.

 

[Liberty]

Naturalization is how an immigrant becomes a citizen. There were no laws against immigration.

And no state (Federal) run welfare.

Churches mainly.

 

[Liberty]

Naturalization is how an immigrant becomes a citizen. There were no laws against immigration.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

You are being purposefully obtuse. The government does not own all land and is not entitled to act as steward over all land.

Then you are of the idea that anyone should be able to go were ever they want, without anyone or any government placing any restictions on that movement?

If you truly believe it; then you should sneak into Mexico and see how much they agree with your thinking, when you are caught.