Breaking news: Cohen to cooperate with Mueller....

Probably in exchange for information on higher ups.

Hopefully, anyway.

That's not really how it works. If you want cooperation from people, you're supposed to acquire guilty pleas for the highest, most readily provable offenses, in exchange for promises of lenient sentencing. If you bring a guy into court that supposedly committed decades worth of fraud and conspiracy crimes, but he is only pleading to a minor process crime of lying to the FBI, his testimony looks weak in the eyes of the court and jurors.
 
That's not really how it works. If you want cooperation from people, you're supposed to acquire guilty pleas for the highest, most readily provable offenses, in exchange for promises of lenient sentencing. If you bring a guy into court that supposedly committed decades worth of fraud and conspiracy crimes, but he is only pleading to a minor process crime of lying to the FBI, his testimony looks weak in the eyes of the court and jurors.

My guess is that Bob Mueller KNOWS what he is doing. I doubt he is looking to Internet forum posters for advice on how and what to charge whom.

There is a possibility that Donald Trump is clean as a whistle...and has no worries. There is also the possibility he is dirty as I and others here think him to be...and Mueller and his team view him the way Spiro Agnew was once viewed.

I think he is so dirty...the Mueller team realizes they have to bring a case with all the dirt showing. They realize there are people out here who are going to argue that their Dear Leader is clean no matter if it is proven that he looks and smells like a pig sty.
 
My guess is that Bob Mueller KNOWS what he is doing. I doubt he is looking to Internet forum posters for advice on how and what to charge whom.

There is a possibility that Donald Trump is clean as a whistle...and has no worries. There is also the possibility he is dirty as I and others here think him to be...and Mueller and his team view him the way Spiro Agnew was once viewed.

I think he is so dirty...the Mueller team realizes they have to bring a case with all the dirt showing. They realize there are people out here who are going to argue that their Dear Leader is clean no matter if it is proven that he looks and smells like a pig sty.

The way he is handling these guys certainly suggests that he has nothing.
 
Michael Cohen may be getting ready to flip. That would be a catastrophe for Trump.


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Often in recent years, Michael Cohen has said such things as, “I will do anything to protect Mr. Trump,” or “I will always protect our @POTUS.” What he’d do if his loyalty were tested was always an important question, because of the assumption — shared by both the president’s critics and his defenders — that if Cohen flipped on President Trump, he could do some real damage.

Almost no one honestly believes that there isn’t plenty of criminality within Trump’s business dealings, so if Cohen starts singing like a bird, the president could be in serious trouble. And now that day may have arrived:

As attorneys for Michael Cohen rush to meet Judge Kimba Wood’s Friday deadline to complete a privilege review of over 3.7 million documents seized in the April 9 raids of Cohen’s New York properties and law office, a source representing this matter has disclosed to ABC News that the law firm handling the case for Cohen is not expected to represent him going forward.

To date, Cohen has been represented by Stephen Ryan and Todd Harrison of the Washington and New York firm, McDermott, Will & Emery LLP.

No replacement counsel has been identified as of this time.

Cohen, now with no legal representation, is likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors in New York, sources said. This development, which is believed to be imminent, will likely hit the White House, family members, staffers and counsels hard.

The connection between Cohen’s attorneys leaving and the possibility of him flipping is not that you don’t still need a lawyer if you’re cooperating (you do), but that these particular lawyers have been paid by the Trump campaign. That would mean that they’d have a conflict in representing him if in fact he is going to testify to something Trump or others involved in the Trump campaign might have done.

That’s a bit of speculation on my part — maybe there’s some other reason Cohen’s lawyers are leaving — but as of now, it’s the only connection that’s evident.
Let’s try to put this in context.

We’re not talking here about special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation of the Russia scandal; this has to do with the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York. Back in April, Mueller handed off information he had learned about Cohen to the U.S. attorney’s office, which got a warrant to search Cohen’s home, office, and hotel room. This was an extraordinary step, one that requires multiple layers of approval from not just a judge but also Justice Department officials. Getting that warrant isn’t possible if a prosecutor is on a fishing expedition for something they can use to flip someone like Cohen; they need to have strong evidence that the attorney has committed a crime.

Investigators seized a trove of documents, not to mention computers and cellphones that were no doubt filled with fascinating material. The judge in the case appointed a special master to determine which files fell under attorney-client privilege, and it turned out to be only a tiny amount. As one report described it, “Of the 291,770 electronic files contained on two of Mr. Cohen’s cellphones and on one of his iPads, 148 are privileged and will be withheld if the judge approves.” That leaves an awful lot for prosecutors to examine.

If you’ve become familiar with Cohen’s history, the questions you may have asked yourself are whether he committed crimes — and whether the president of the United States is implicated in them. While Cohen was often described as Trump’s personal attorney, for most of his employment with Trump he was acting not as a lawyer but as a fixer, the kind of guy who would go to the Republic of Georgia to try to make a deal with corrupt oligarchs to build a Trump Tower, or arrange hush money for the porn star Trump may have slept with soon after his wife gave birth. He’s not the guy who represents you in court; he’s the guy you can count on to do the dirty work.

We should be clear that it’s at least possible this all has nothing to do with Trump. Cohen’s entire career has been spent in strikingly close proximity to organized (and not-so-organized) crime, and perhaps the most remarkable thing about it is that unlike so many of his associates over the years, he has never gone to jail. It could be that Cohen has something to offer prosecutors on, say, the Russian mob, something important enough for them to want to strike a deal with him.

But there’s little question that Trump is very worried about what Cohen might tell prosecutors. Here’s what the New York Times’s Maggie Haberman tweeted this afternoon:


Maggie Haberman

@maggieNYT
Trump has been fuming about Cohen in private, blaming him for the messy Stormy Daniels situation. But he also is fearful of making that public because of chances it further pushes Cohen toward SDNY

Maggie Haberman

@maggieNYT
Cohen is increasingly likely to flip, parting ways w current lawyer, confirming ⁦@ABC⁩ report https://nyti.ms/2HKw3Oq?smid=nytcore-ios-share

10:33 AM - Jun 13, 2018
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This story is still developing, and there will be more to learn. But we should consider one more possibility: that Cohen fed the story of his possible flip to the press in order to convince Trump to pardon him. And if you think that the president would never take such a brazenly corrupt step as to pardon the one person who probably has more dirt on him than anyone? Then you might want to familiarize yourself with who Trump is.
 
The way he is handling these guys certainly suggests that he has nothing.

The way he is handling everything...suggests that he has plenty.

Trump, by the way, is not reacting like he thinks Mueller has nothing! Not by a long shot.
 
Michael Cohen may be getting ready to flip. That would be a catastrophe for Trump.


Michael-Cohen-512x256.png

Often in recent years, Michael Cohen has said such things as, “I will do anything to protect Mr. Trump,” or “I will always protect our @POTUS.” What he’d do if his loyalty were tested was always an important question, because of the assumption — shared by both the president’s critics and his defenders — that if Cohen flipped on President Trump, he could do some real damage.

Almost no one honestly believes that there isn’t plenty of criminality within Trump’s business dealings, so if Cohen starts singing like a bird, the president could be in serious trouble. And now that day may have arrived:

As attorneys for Michael Cohen rush to meet Judge Kimba Wood’s Friday deadline to complete a privilege review of over 3.7 million documents seized in the April 9 raids of Cohen’s New York properties and law office, a source representing this matter has disclosed to ABC News that the law firm handling the case for Cohen is not expected to represent him going forward.

To date, Cohen has been represented by Stephen Ryan and Todd Harrison of the Washington and New York firm, McDermott, Will & Emery LLP.

No replacement counsel has been identified as of this time.

Cohen, now with no legal representation, is likely to cooperate with federal prosecutors in New York, sources said. This development, which is believed to be imminent, will likely hit the White House, family members, staffers and counsels hard.

The connection between Cohen’s attorneys leaving and the possibility of him flipping is not that you don’t still need a lawyer if you’re cooperating (you do), but that these particular lawyers have been paid by the Trump campaign. That would mean that they’d have a conflict in representing him if in fact he is going to testify to something Trump or others involved in the Trump campaign might have done.

That’s a bit of speculation on my part — maybe there’s some other reason Cohen’s lawyers are leaving — but as of now, it’s the only connection that’s evident.
Let’s try to put this in context.

We’re not talking here about special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation of the Russia scandal; this has to do with the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York. Back in April, Mueller handed off information he had learned about Cohen to the U.S. attorney’s office, which got a warrant to search Cohen’s home, office, and hotel room. This was an extraordinary step, one that requires multiple layers of approval from not just a judge but also Justice Department officials. Getting that warrant isn’t possible if a prosecutor is on a fishing expedition for something they can use to flip someone like Cohen; they need to have strong evidence that the attorney has committed a crime.

Investigators seized a trove of documents, not to mention computers and cellphones that were no doubt filled with fascinating material. The judge in the case appointed a special master to determine which files fell under attorney-client privilege, and it turned out to be only a tiny amount. As one report described it, “Of the 291,770 electronic files contained on two of Mr. Cohen’s cellphones and on one of his iPads, 148 are privileged and will be withheld if the judge approves.” That leaves an awful lot for prosecutors to examine.

If you’ve become familiar with Cohen’s history, the questions you may have asked yourself are whether he committed crimes — and whether the president of the United States is implicated in them. While Cohen was often described as Trump’s personal attorney, for most of his employment with Trump he was acting not as a lawyer but as a fixer, the kind of guy who would go to the Republic of Georgia to try to make a deal with corrupt oligarchs to build a Trump Tower, or arrange hush money for the porn star Trump may have slept with soon after his wife gave birth. He’s not the guy who represents you in court; he’s the guy you can count on to do the dirty work.

We should be clear that it’s at least possible this all has nothing to do with Trump. Cohen’s entire career has been spent in strikingly close proximity to organized (and not-so-organized) crime, and perhaps the most remarkable thing about it is that unlike so many of his associates over the years, he has never gone to jail. It could be that Cohen has something to offer prosecutors on, say, the Russian mob, something important enough for them to want to strike a deal with him.

But there’s little question that Trump is very worried about what Cohen might tell prosecutors. Here’s what the New York Times’s Maggie Haberman tweeted this afternoon:


Maggie Haberman

@maggieNYT
Trump has been fuming about Cohen in private, blaming him for the messy Stormy Daniels situation. But he also is fearful of making that public because of chances it further pushes Cohen toward SDNY

Maggie Haberman

@maggieNYT
Cohen is increasingly likely to flip, parting ways w current lawyer, confirming ⁦@ABC⁩ report https://nyti.ms/2HKw3Oq?smid=nytcore-ios-share

10:33 AM - Jun 13, 2018
11.3K
4,404 people are talking about this
Twitter Ads info and privacy
This story is still developing, and there will be more to learn. But we should consider one more possibility: that Cohen fed the story of his possible flip to the press in order to convince Trump to pardon him. And if you think that the president would never take such a brazenly corrupt step as to pardon the one person who probably has more dirt on him than anyone? Then you might want to familiarize yourself with who Trump is.
If he’s pardoned, it would be worse news for Trump, he’d still have to testify and there would be no consequences for him doing so.
 
It's possible that the fish could just be Manafort.

But then, who might they get Manafort to flip on?
It's bigger than Manafort. Cohen was overseeing the business of a trump shithole hotel in Russia, during the campaign. He was in contact with the Saudi prince during the election, who offered money/help getting trump elected.

He took money from Putin right after the election.

And that's just the stuff that's made it to the press.

Manafort was a double agent, working for the Russian interests.

Cohen was the coordinator.
 
Not necessarily. Mueller, for example, keeps indicting people for serious financial crimes, and then allowing them to plead guilty to process crimes, like lying to the FBI.

Right, and we don’t know yet what he got in return yet... but Mueller is not dumb, he is getting something good when he does that.
 
That's not really how it works. If you want cooperation from people, you're supposed to acquire guilty pleas for the highest, most readily provable offenses, in exchange for promises of lenient sentencing. If you bring a guy into court that supposedly committed decades worth of fraud and conspiracy crimes, but he is only pleading to a minor process crime of lying to the FBI, his testimony looks weak in the eyes of the court and jurors.
That is one way, not the Way Mueller works.
 
The way he is handling everything...suggests that he has plenty.

really?.....I would think if he had plenty he wouldn't bother with the peripheral matters and would refer them to federal investigators outside his group.......if he had plenty he could, you know, like maybe start a trial against someone?......
 
really?.....I would think if he had plenty he wouldn't bother with the peripheral matters and would refer them to federal investigators outside his group.......if he had plenty he could, you know, like maybe start a trial against someone?......

Mueller is the type to cross every T and dot every I before he makes any moves. If he makes a move, all loose ends will be tied up.
 
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