BP -The disaster that never was

tom prendergast said:
Are these the self same shrimpers who are making fortunes hiring out their boats?

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/...orrest-Gump-town-make-fortune-BP-payouts.html
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According to the article, the shrimpers are making roughly three times what they normally did. And it was a much shorter run than the shrimping season in the gulf. And even if they worked 4 months (from May to the present), they are hardly making millions. If they worked 120 days they will have made just under $35,000.00. Hardly millions now is it?

The skimming is done. The damage to the shrimp is just beginning.



Your reply still does not address the issue. Whether they are making money at something else does not speak to the issue of the spill at all.
 
Tom, I've been razzing you big time. LOL you need a cookie. I'm in the oil industry in finance, and I fish & kayak these waters. Son, we pray that your scientist are right. That said, after the Exxon experience in Alaska we are not resting on BP's good nature. BP has the worst saftey record in the US by a long shot. 26 death's from 2 incidents in 5 years, and millions of barrells of oil still in the gulf. Yes, it does appear the worst case is off the table. It's still a huge disaster by any measure, and we'll find a way to use up the 20 billion and come back for more. Your Britt retiree's will have to do with less.
 
WinterBorn said:
According to the article, the shrimpers are making roughly three times what they normally did. And it was a much shorter run than the shrimping season in the gulf. And even if they worked 4 months (from May to the present), they are hardly making millions. If they worked 120 days they will have made just under $35,000.00. Hardly millions now is it?

The skimming is done. The damage to the shrimp is just beginning. Your reply still does not address the issue. Whether they are making money at something else does not speak to the issue of the spill at all.
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Yep, there is so much damage that they are reopening the waters to shrimping. Surely they should be listening to all the armchair fishing and pollution experts, especially the ones in California, who despite being thousands of miles away know all the facts without having to actually go there themselves.

Our resident expert Cypress is awaiting some peer reviewed research to appear in maybe two to three years before he will pronounce judgement. Apparently he is unaware that there are chemical analysis techniques such as gas liquid chromatography, infrared, ultraviolet and mass spectroscopy, which can even be operated by lowly lab. technicians.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-15/128055790058570.xml&coll=1

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/07/gulf-oil-spill-louisiana-fish.html
 
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Topspin said:
Tom, I've been razzing you big time. LOL you need a cookie. I'm in the oil industry in finance, and I fish & kayak these waters. Son, we pray that your scientist are right. That said, after the Exxon experience in Alaska we are not resting on BP's good nature. BP has the worst saftey record in the US by a long shot. 26 death's from 2 incidents in 5 years, and millions of barrells of oil still in the gulf. Yes, it does appear the worst case is off the table. It's still a huge disaster by any measure, and we'll find a way to use up the 20 billion and come back for more. Your Britt retiree's will have to do with less.
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Occidental Petroleum has 167 deaths to their credit, they paid derisory compensation and are still very much in business. I guess that doesn't matter because they weren't Americans and it happened in Scotland.

 
tom prendergast said:
Occidental Petroleum has 167 deaths to their credit, they paid derisory compensation and are still very much in business. I guess that doesn't matter because they weren't Americans and it happened in Scotland.

YouTube- ‪Piper Alpha Disaster 1988‬‎
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over what period of time did op rack up 167 deaths

not that it matters as all of the oil / energy companies have lousy records when it comes to worker safety
 
DonQuixote said:
over what period of time did op rack up 167 deaths

not that it matters as all of the oil / energy companies have lousy records when it comes to worker safety
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They all died in the same accident!! So, in answer to your question, about 5-10 minutes maybe less.

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tom prendergast said:
Yep, there is so much damage that they are reopening the waters to shrimping. Surely they should be listening to all the armchair fishing and pollution experts, especially the ones in California, who despite being thousands of miles away know all the facts without having to actually go there themselves.

Our resident expert Cypress is awaiting some peer reviewed research to appear in maybe two to three years before he will pronounce judgement. Apparently he is unaware that there are chemical analysis techniques such as gas liquid chromatography, infrared, ultraviolet and mass spectroscopy, which can even be operated by lowly lab. technicians.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-15/128055790058570.xml&coll=1

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/greenspace/2010/07/gulf-oil-spill-louisiana-fish.html
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Tom, there were millions of gallons of oil spilled. (one estimate says as much as 120 million gals)

Where did the oil go, Tom? Oil floats, and yet there is little to no oil being seen. Do you actually believe the skimmers got even 10% of the oil that was spilled?

So where did the oil go? Are you placing your faith in the Oil Fairy? A wave of a magic wand and the oil is magically gone?

Just because it is not seen has no real bearing on the subject. You keep dancing and bringing up irrelevant shit, like the "shrimpers making millions" without making any real point.
 
tom prendergast said:
Occidental Petroleum has 167 deaths to their credit, they paid derisory compensation and are still very much in business. I guess that doesn't matter because they weren't Americans and it happened in Scotland.
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Don't credit them too much. Most deaths are a direct result of negligence and paying "compensation" keeps the lawsuits down.


BP has a horrible safety record even when compared to other oil companies.
 
WinterBorn said:
Don't credit them too much. Most deaths are a direct result of negligence and paying "compensation" keeps the lawsuits down.


BP has a horrible safety record even when compared to other oil companies.
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As I said umpteen times already, Transocean owned Deepwater Horizon and leased it to BP for $300,000 a day. Apparently, for that money, you are not expected to have safe working procedures in place. Please don't tell me that they were only doing what BP asked them to do, that is just blatant bullshit.
 
tom prendergast said:
They all died in the same accident!! So, in answer to your question, about 5-10 minutes maybe less.

Piper Alpha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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safety does not seem to be a high priority on oil rigs - as demonstrated by the piper alpha disaster

inadequate design complicated by human error produces disasters - as do inadequate safety measures or adequate safety measures not used properly

i spent most of my professional career as a sr. programmer/analyst ending as a systems analyst - i noticed that quality control and assurance always sucks hind tit and way to often get glossed over despite efforts to avoid flaws during the progress of a project :(
 
tom prendergast said:
As I said umpteen times already, Transocean owned Deepwater Horizon and leased it to BP for $300,000 a day. Apparently, for that money, you are not expected to have safe working procedures in place. Please don't tell me that they were only doing what BP asked them to do, that is just blatant bullshit.
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You need to listen to the tapes of trasocean guy's begging BP to do it the right way then cursing them out and telling them I told you this would happen. Your blind and hiding your eyes to the facts.
Why didn't BP circulate the mud? To save $ everyone circulates
Why did they use single string in an exploratory well, real oil companies use double piping for saftey. I could go on but you don't want the facts.
Fact, British Oil's negligence has cost them about $30,000,000,000 so far. Louisiana and Florida will be back to the money bag.
Your old lady pensioners are paying for your culture's slackishness.:321:
 
Topspin said:
You need to listen to the tapes of trasocean guy's begging BP to do it the right way then cursing them out and telling them I told you this would happen. Your blind and hiding your eyes to the facts.
Why didn't BP circulate the mud? To save $ everyone circulates
Why did they use single string in an exploratory well, real oil companies use double piping for saftey. I could go on but you don't want the facts.
Fact, British Oil's negligence has cost them about $30,000,000,000 so far. Louisiana and Florida will be back to the money bag.
Your old lady pensioners are paying for your culture's slackishness.:321:
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So Transocean are trying to use the Nuremberg defence, namely that they were just obeying orders. They own the rig and are therefore responsible for safe working practices.
 
I urge you to read the facts, and then you'll be less likely to want to look like such a fool. Well design is 100% the operators domain, that doesn't stop a smart rig owner from saying you shouldn't do it.
 
tom prendergast said:
So Transocean are trying to use the Nuremberg defence, namely that they were just obeying orders. They own the rig and are therefore responsible for safe working practices.
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The owners of the rig are responsible for safe work practices?

If you hire painters, are you responsible for making sure they work safely?

BP is solely responsible for making sure it's people worked safely.
 
It's about skipping routine safety procedures that BP demanded be skipped to save $.
British retiree's will now pay for it.
 
WinterBorn said:
I am amazed that he is defending BP. I understand national pride, but if a company is dirty there is little to be proud of.
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Legitimate companies require their subcontractors to hold all the necessary insurances to cover accidents on the job. That would not preclude BP from responsibility when those subs ignore safety infractions, but I am not sure what laws govern these waters in Louisiana.

In California, Cal-Osha changed its laws significantly and requires you, the hiring company, to insist and inspect work site areas for safety regulations where you have subcontractors working and ensure they are adhering to safe business practices.

It was passed with AB 1127 January 1, 2000. It raised the level of fines for infractions and put the onus of safe work sites not only on the sub itself, but the company hiring the sub as well.

Any time you hear that OSHA will be coming in to do inspections, there is a significant spike in the fear and angst level. OSHA has increased their inspections because of course it's all about the money, and trust me, they do it!

Fines or prison terms: AB 1127 increased fines
and prison sentences that a court may impose
for certain Title 8 violations charged:

1. Fines for each serious violation can be as
high as $25,000, with an initial base
penalty of $18,000.

2. Fines for failure to abate a violation can be
as high as $15,000 for each day that the
violative condition is not corrected.
 
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