Boehner: take the offer!

After a meeting with President Obama and House Speaker John Boehner last night, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid appeared optimistic that Republicans and Democrats would reach a budget compromise and avoid a government shutdown.

This morning, that optimism seems to have left the building.

“I am not nearly as optimistic, and that’s an understatement, as I was 11 hours ago,” Reid said today, according to the New York Times‘ Caucus blog. “The only thing holding up an agreement is ideology.”

No shit. That’s what the budget debate has been about this entire time. Not to beat a dead horse, but everyone knows that cutting $61 billion from discretionary spending for a single fiscal year is about as frugal as deciding to order the second most expensive bottle of champagne at the 40/40 Club.

Democrats don’t want to concede on that figure because if they do, they forfeit practically all their clout for the remainder of forever. Talks have put a compromise figure somewhere in the neighborhood of $30-$40 billion, but Republicans insist that’s bull. Yes, a government shutdown is looming because the GOP is only getting two-thirds of what it wants.

What aren’t Republicans getting? To hear Harry Reid tell it, negotiations around a compromise figure keep getting snagged on Republican proposals to restrict federal financing of abortion providers and changes to the Clean Air Act.

Leaving aside the fact that abortion is a medical procedure performed by medical professionals and should therefore enjoy the same federal dollars our government has deemed wise to spend on public health, to shut down the government over the chump change Washington spends on the procedure is nothing short of ludicrous. The government’s relationship with abortion, as well as its relation with the environment, are conversations that are absolutely worthwhile—so worthwhile that they require completely separate debates. Attempting action on these issues in the context of a budget debate, prompting gridlock (which Republicans had to know would happen) and endangering the livelihood of nearly one million government employees in addition to freezing public services, is profoundly irresponsible.

A compromise involves each side giving up something they want in order to get something they want. Right now, the Republican leverage amounts to controlling one house of one branch of government. The minority party in Washington, they’ve been met more than halfway by Democrats and still aren’t satisfied.

A plurality of 37 percent of Americans say they would blame Republicans for a shutdown. They would be right. It’s the Tea Party caucus that’s pressured House Republicans to leave Dems’ spending cut concessions on the table. It’s the Tea Party caucus holding rallies on Capitol Hill calling for the government to shut down. It’s the Republican party that did the exact same thing 15 years ago.

Of course, this all could have been avoided if Congressional Democrats had done their fucking job last year and passed a budget like they were supposed to. There’s no shortage of blame to go around for this shutdown, which is almost a certainty, unless today’s meeting between Obama, Reid and Boehner (happening as I write this) manages an about-face. I’m not holding my breath.

Just remember: When everything grinds to a halt, it will not be in the name of fiscal responsibility. It will be in the name of ideology; Harry Reid is right about that much. The only thing standing between Americans and a government that works for them is the Republican agenda.

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/73770/the-government-shutdown-is-about-abortion-and-pollution/
 
Rana said:
No fair taxes are also a way. We are a rich nation whose rich ride on the back of the lesser people's. We have been bamboozled into thinking we are on the verge of collapse, ala Kock Brothers and the rest of the evil empire!
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Bamboozled again.....damn.....fool

http://tinyurl.com/p3n6la




I especially like the UNFUNDED LIABILITIES
 
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The other day the House of Representatives passed a bill that would restore funding to a voucher program for the D.C. public school system, a move that undermines the entire Republican platform without batting an eye.

The bill, referred to as the SOAR act, introduced by none other than House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), puts the federal government on the hook for $100 million dollars in private school voucher provisions over the next five years, plus $20 million for each charter and public school in the district.

Don’t get me wrong: Money for education is great. However, I’m not a huge fan of private school vouchers, and haven’t been for as long as I’ve been able to form an opinion on the subject. Private schools are traditionally Catholic or otherwise religion-oriented; D.C. public schools are traditionally terrible, and parents of children in these underperforming institutions would understandably pounce on a free, high-class education. In my mind, the government giving private school vouchers to the poor is akin to missionary work, which doesn’t sit well with people who are into that whole “separation of church and state” thing.

But the two things that really rub me raw here are Boehner’s balls. I thought we were fucking broke! This asshole has spent the better part of his adult life saying that the government spends too much money. He’s in the middle of leading a budget battle over government austerity; every time Democrats offer conciliatory budget cuts, Boehner lowers the limbo stick. Not enough, he says. We need to get our discretionary spending—the fuzzy (NPR), the protective (EPA), the leg-up (unemployment insurance)—under control. (Never mind the things that really cost the government money.)

Then he turns around and nabs hundreds of millions of dollars for a pet project he helped design himself. And he wants to tell us the budget debate isn’t about ideology?

Also, Boehner reps Ohio. What the fuck? Why are you nursing a bill that would realign the D.C. school system—and only the D.C. school system. Meanwhile, you were elected to represent the interests of constituents in your district. Did you even ask the representative from D.C. what she thought about this? Apparently not.

To top it all off, dude cried about this shit on the floor of the House like he always does. I’m sorry, is the person third in line for the American presidency a 17 year-old girl who just got pulled over for speeding? Fuck, man.

The bottom line is, next time this guy talks about Washington’s spending spree, fiscal responsibility, pet projects, or the federal government dictating local landscapes, kindly remember to vote in 2012.

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/705...s-money-between-calls-to-stop-spending-money/


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King of Gods said:
Did you even look at the chart? According to the IRS, the top 10% pays 60% of the income taxes. How, then, are they riding on the backs of the poor? Please explain.
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By the fact that this year I paid 15% in taxes and GE paid 0%, do the math, who pays more for this nation to operate? Myself, yourself or GE?

A flat tax rate would cure our tax ills, balance the budget and save the day, but the lobbyist are too strong and this will never happen.
So stuff your chart, I don't know much about economics, but I do know that my 15% is more than GE's 0%, so they are riding on my back to do business in this country!
 
A Tea Party leader is vociferously abandoning support for House Speaker John Boehner, writing in a blog post that the Ohio Republican has looked like "a fool" in recent House debates over the federal budget, and comparing him and comparing him unfavorably to actor Charlie Sheen, whose recent comments have garnered a lot of attention recently.


"You look like a fool," wrote Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips, in a message on the group's blog. "Charlie Sheen is now making more sense than John Boehner."


Phillips, a controversial figure with a history of making inflammatory statements (most recently about the mass shootings in Tucson, Arizona, which killed 6 and injured 14), wrote that "it is time to primary John Boehner."


Citing a 2010 GOP campaign pledge to cut $100 billion from the federal budget, Phillips wrote that House Republicans, who recently passed a budget that cut only $61 billion (which itself is unlikely to pass through the Senate), had fallen short on their promises.


"Early on, the GOP promised to cut $100 billion from the budget," Phillips said. "The Republicans in the House quickly went squishy on that and had to be cajoled into cutting only $61 billion. Now, John Boehner is saying when the Senate comes back and they start negotiating...the $61 billion figure is not safe."


"The honeymoon is over," Phillips declared in the headline of the piece.


"There is no other way to put this," he wrote. "The Tea Party movement should find a candidate to run against John Boehner in 2012 and should set as a goal, to defeat in a primary, the sitting Speaker of the House of Representatives."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20038829-503544.html

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Rana said:
By the fact that this year I paid 15% in taxes and GE paid 0%, do the math, who pays more for this nation to operate? Myself, yourself or GE?

A flat tax rate would cure our tax ills, balance the budget and save the day, but the lobbyist are too strong and this will never happen.
So stuff your chart, I don't know much about economics, but I do know that my 15% is more than GE's 0%, so they are riding on my back to do business in this country!
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I have a self-employed friend who makes over $300k and pays something like 5% in Federal income taxes because he is very shrewd. However, his shrewdness is perfectly legal, just as GE paying zero taxes is perfectly legal. You cannot blame them for trying to save money.

I completely agree the tax system is broken and a flat rate would be superior. Good luck getting liberal Democrats to support that, though!
 
King of Gods said:
I have a self-employed friend who makes over $300k and pays something like 5% in Federal income taxes because he is very shrewd. However, his shrewdness is perfectly legal, just as GE paying zero taxes is perfectly legal. You cannot blame them for trying to save money.

I completely agree the tax system is broken and a flat rate would be superior. Good luck getting liberal Democrats to support that, though!
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Good luck getting corporate shill Republicans, too, it isn't just the Dems, it is every money grabbin politician in the nation! and now that the Supremes have given them carte blanche, we are screwed!
 
Rana said:
By the fact that this year I paid 15% in taxes and GE paid 0%, do the math, who pays more for this nation to operate? Myself, yourself or GE?

A flat tax rate would cure our tax ills, balance the budget and save the day, but the lobbyist are too strong and this will never happen.
So stuff your chart, I don't know much about economics, but I do know that my 15% is more than GE's 0%, so they are riding on my back to do business in this country!
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I don't think GE is a rich person.
 
WinterBorn said:
I don't think GE is a rich person.
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This is true... guaranteed the Officers at GE paid their taxes, as well as the shareholders.

So in reality, all the whining about GE is that they were not double-taxed. This is why I'd favor eliminating corporate taxes altogether.
 
King of Gods said:
This is true... guaranteed the Officers at GE paid their taxes, as well as the shareholders.

So in reality, all the whining about GE is that they were not double-taxed. This is why I'd favor eliminating corporate taxes altogether.
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The best way to fairly tax corporations is to lower the tax rate below 25% and close all loopholes....then help them participate in a good jump start to our economy by suspending capital gains for at least 1 year.
 
King of Gods said:
This is true... guaranteed the Officers at GE paid their taxes, as well as the shareholders.

So in reality, all the whining about GE is that they were not double-taxed. This is why I'd favor eliminating corporate taxes altogether.
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I favor eliminating corporate taxes because we (the consumers) pay them.
 
Ohio Congressman John Boehner, who was first elected to congress in 1991 and who was elevated last year to Speaker of the U.S. House when Republicans reclaimed the lower chamber by winning 62 seats, was interviewed by ABC's George Stephanopoulos. In the interview, Boehner was asked if there were any differences between him and the Tea Party.

"Listen, there’s no daylight between the Tea Party and me,” Boehner said, adding when challenged by Stephanopoulos, “None. What they want is they want us to cut spending. They want us to deal with this crushing debt that’s going to crush the future for our kids and grandkids. There’s no daylight there.”

But his claim that nobody wants the government to shutdown, which if it would could idle as many as 12,000 federal workers in Ohio, has been challenged by Democrats and other Washington watchers who point to comments made by Republicans like Indiana Republican Mike Pence, a member of the U.S. House who has been rumored to having his eye on running for Governor of his state, saying that if the kind of government spending Tea Party lawmakers, which started out at $100 billion but which now seems to be closer to $70 bill or so, shutting the government down, as he said again today at a Tea Party rally at the Capitol, is what he would do.

Speaker Boehner said he has Pence’s full support. “Well, Mike Pence stood up at our conference today and said, 'Mr. Speaker, I’m with you.'"

http://www.examiner.com/government-...oehner-victim-to-tea-party-stockholm-syndrome

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Rana said:
fuck you
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When would you like to do that?


Froggie, I was not trying to ruin your rant. But personal taxes and corporate taxes are different issues and different problems. If you tax the CEO of GE you tap his finances. If you tax GE they consider it a business expense and pass it on to the customers.
 
Rana said:
Good luck getting corporate shill Republicans, too, it isn't just the Dems, it is every money grabbin politician in the nation! and now that the Supremes have given them carte blanche, we are screwed!
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Yes dear...it IS just the Dems....Conservatives have been trying to get a flat tax for at least the last 30 years.....did you have your head under a rock?
 
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