Black Sea Access for Ukraine

[moon]

Many Ukrainians are pro-Russian. Fifty thousand Ukrainian refugees have gone to Russia. Ukraine was Russian for far, far longer than its short-lived period of independence.

 

[Jack]

Net, tovarishch, ya vse yeshche aktiv



Haw, haw.................................haw.

 

[Jack]

Many Ukrainians are pro-Russian. Fifty thousand Ukrainian refugees have gone to Russia. Ukraine was Russian for far, far longer than its short-lived period of independence.

How many Ukraines will be 'Pro-Russian' after being bombed, starved, and displaced?



Putin ... What an Idiot!

 

[Cypress]

Many Ukrainians are pro-Russian. Fifty thousand Ukrainian refugees have gone to Russia. Ukraine was Russian for far, far longer than its short-lived period of independence.

Kharkiv is the largest Russian-speaking city in Ukraine, it is located only 20 miles from the Russian border, and it has resisted Putin's onslaught for the better part of two weeks. There is no measurable indication Russian-speakers in Kharkiv are rising up against Ukrainian authority or joining Putin's army.

If you want to pull out the history books, let's look at the last thousand years. Ukraine was only a part of the Russian Empire for a little over two hundred years, probably since Catherine the Great until 1918.

Kievan Rus lasted more than three centuries.

The late Medieval Poles and Lithuanians might have been overlords of Ukraine longer than the Romanov dynasty.

One of the few things the Soviets get credit for is ending the Tsarist policy of forcible Russification, and recognizing the legitimate distinctiveness of Ukrainian, Georgian, Belarusian identity, language, culture.

 

[Nordberg]

Russia is closing down the ports of access that are supplying Ukraine. It may be siege time. Let them starve and go without replacement weapons. Then Putin will win. Of course, the areas that are Russian-speaking do not want to go under Putin's thumb. They have enjoyed the freedoms.

 

[moon]

Kharkiv is the largest Russian-speaking city in Ukraine, it is located only 20 miles from the Russian border, and it has resisted Putin's onslaught for the better part of two weeks. There is no measurable indication Russian-speakers in Kharkiv are rising up against Ukrainian authority or joining Putin's army.

If you want to pull out the history books, let's look at the last thousand years. Ukraine was only a part of the Russian Empire for a little over two hundred years, probably since Catherine the Great until 1918.

Kievan Rus lasted more than three centuries.

The late Medieval Poles and Lithuanians might have been overlords of Ukraine longer than the Romanov dynasty.

One of the few things the Soviets get credit for is ending the Tsarist policy of forcible Russification, and recognizing the legitimate distinctiveness of Ukrainian, Georgian, Belarusian identity, language, culture.

There are far fewer Russian speakers in Kharkiv than there were and there are far more Russian speakers in Donetsk and Lughansk- both of which do want to be part of the Russian Federation in due course.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There are far fewer Russian speakers in Kharkiv than there were and there are far more Russian speakers in Donetsk and Lughansk- both of which do want to be part of the Russian Federation in due course.

I have no doubt you're familiar with the language of your Russian masters, Ms. Moon. The fact you proved it earlier today is a bonus, da? LOL

 

[dukkha]

Less than three weeks ago you were dismissing and mocking Biden and US intelligence reports that Putin was on the cusp of invading Ukraine

most everyone was surprised. Given the state of our intelligence agencies ( Iraq/Libya/Syrian rebels)
and their part in fake FISA, and ginning up the Russian hoax I naturally dont trust them.

the posturing for an invasion was to back up LDNR recognition/grab was the logical analysis

 

[Cypress]

watch Odessa. if it falls as well as Mariupol -that cements Putins hold on Uk Black Sea access
and the rest of Ukraine becomes land locked.
Kviy is the ultimate prize -
but strangling the Black Sea access gives Putin enormous leverage if we get to peace talk negotiations

Right now this is key -not Kyiv

Putin's forces were decisively defeated at the Battle of Kyiv, and had to beat a hasty retreat back to Belarus.

 

[Cypress]

He can’t hold Ukraine


This is a study in madness


Trump touched Putin


Everything trump touches crumbles

^^ A voice of reason.

While Field Marshall Dukkha and Colonel Moon were eagerly anticipating the Russian army's glorious march on Oddessa and Kyiv, at least one poster here was being realistic about how difficult it would be for Putin to conquer and occupy Ukraine.