Black People Do Not Suffer Disproportionately From Police Brutality

Not taking sides here, but what is the solution that would satisfy you (or BLM, or antifa or dems or anyone that sees injustice towards blacks)? So far I get no answers.

There are many areas that need to be addressed, but I'll hit on a few. Probably number 1 with a bullet is police reform. I hate the term 'defunding the police', but we've seen police reform work in Camden, where the entire police force was terminated and the department modified to reflect more community outreach. Dallas is another example of a city that focused on working with the community and de-escalation techniques instead of just standing guard over the city. And we need to get the white supremacists rooted out of police departments all over the country.

Tougher sanctions for banks and mortgage companies that practice redlining. It''s still happening, and Trumps policies and rhetoric obviously perpetuate that. What he's signaling is obviously 'we're going to keep the black thugs away from you'. The vast majority of black people I know want to do the same things that everyone wants to do, work, raise a family, own a home. We are segregating minorities.

We need to legalize marijuana, and stop using it as way of putting black men in for profit prisons. Interestingly, of all the things Trump has done, that's the area he deserves credit for.

Many of the rest of the reforms really address economic inequalities, which disproportionately impact minorities, especially blacks. Tax policy reform. Healthcare reform. Reforming public education to focus on preparing students for the jobs that will be integral to our economy. College has become a scam. We should be sending our best and our brightest, and make it affordable for them, instead of colleges using the dream of a degree as a way of swindling money. Ultimately though, the overall attitude of 'us' and 'them' has to change. I think it will. I look at my kids, and they don't get racism, or homophobia, it simply doesn't make sense to them. They're puzzled by it. That's a hopeful sign. But it is absolutely true that whites have generally felt the role of the police was to protect them from black people. That attitude HAS to change.

Bottom line, there needs to be reform in most of our institutions to address the fact that the starting line for a black person in America is way back of the one for whites, and we've put up hurdles that make it even harder. When we accept that as a reality, we'll all be better off, and we can start to roll up our sleeves and fix it.

I am a practical guy. I think there are practical solutions to these problems. But acknowledging them has to be the first step. I think we're at that point. Final point, I don't agree with a lot of the approaches that are being taken, but I understand them.
 
There are many areas that need to be addressed, but I'll hit on a few. Probably number 1 with a bullet is police reform. I hate the term 'defunding the police', but we've seen police reform work in Camden, where the entire police force was terminated and the department modified to reflect more community outreach. Dallas is another example of a city that focused on working with the community and de-escalation techniques instead of just standing guard over the city. And we need to get the white supremacists rooted out of police departments all over the country.

Tougher sanctions for banks and mortgage companies that practice redlining. It''s still happening, and Trumps policies and rhetoric obviously perpetuate that. What he's signaling is obviously 'we're going to keep the black thugs away from you'. The vast majority of black people I know want to do the same things that everyone wants to do, work, raise a family, own a home. We are segregating minorities.

We need to legalize marijuana, and stop using it as way of putting black men in for profit prisons. Interestingly, of all the things Trump has done, that's the area he deserves credit for.

Many of the rest of the reforms really address economic inequalities, which disproportionately impact minorities, especially blacks. Tax policy reform. Healthcare reform. Reforming public education to focus on preparing students for the jobs that will be integral to our economy. College has become a scam. We should be sending our best and our brightest, and make it affordable for them, instead of colleges using the dream of a degree as a way of swindling money. Ultimately though, the overall attitude of 'us' and 'them' has to change. I think it will. I look at my kids, and they don't get racism, or homophobia, it simply doesn't make sense to them. They're puzzled by it. That's a hopeful sign. But it is absolutely true that whites have generally felt the role of the police was to protect them from black people. That attitude HAS to change.

Bottom line, there needs to be reform in most of our institutions to address the fact that the starting line for a black person in America is way back of the one for whites, and we've put up hurdles that make it even harder. When we accept that as a reality, we'll all be better off, and we can start to roll up our sleeves and fix it.

I am a practical guy. I think there are practical solutions to these problems. But acknowledging them has to be the first step. I think we're at that point. Final point, I don't agree with a lot of the approaches that are being taken, but I understand them.

What you just described there is NIMBYism. It's practically a religion in the Bay Area. People here will have BLM signs in their yards along with signs signaling support for immigrants but try to build a multi-family unit, or anything else really, in their neighborhood and God help you. So people on the right and left may not agree on much but there is often strong agreement on fighting for 'neighborhood character' which is code for don't build around me.

And if you're addressing inequality why is it that people who would otherwise consider themselves progressive and live in urban areas either send their kids to private schools or ultimately move to surrounding suburbs that are a majority white? We all know the importance of education and for those who profess to really care and happen to be white and of means then sending your kids to a diverse public school where you can get involved, raise money and do all things wealthy suburbs can do is how change can come about. Understandably most parents will respond I'm going to put my kids in the best school possible. But if you want real change and reform are you wiling to be a part of it?
 
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So depite all the hysterical bullshit that emanates from the Left the cold hard facts say otherwise.



https://www.justfactsdaily.com/black-people-do-not-suffer-disproportionately-from-police-brutality/

FBI report of murders in the US for 2018 show just over 2,900 blacks were murdered. 2600 of them were killed by other blacks but the cops are the fucking problem? These assholes are irrational scrotum lickers and can never be spoken to with logic or respect. They are insane people who need to be heavily medicated because it's clear they pose a threat to the lives of decent people. Need evidence look at the Burn Loot Murder idiots.
 
What you just described there is NIMBYism. It's practically a religion in the Bay Area. People here will have BLM signs in their yards along with signs signaling support for immigrants but try to build a multi-family unit, or anything else really, in their neighborhood and God help you. So people on the right and left may not agree on much but there is often strong agreement on fighting for 'neighborhood character' which is code for don't build around me.

And if you're addressing inequality why is it that people who would otherwise consider themselves progressive and live in urban areas either send their kids to private schools or ultimately move to surrounding suburbs that are a majority white? We all know the importance of education and for those who profess to really care and happen to be white and of means then sending your kids to a diverse public school where you can get involved, raise money and do all things wealthy suburbs can do is how change can come about. Understandably most parents will respond I'm going to put my kids in the best school possible. But if you want real change and reform are you wiling to be a part of it?

What does that have to do with my response? Nothing. Instead of responding to a single point I made, you put a cute label on it, and asked a completely irrelevant question. Great job. Long on rhetoric, but completely absent any meaningful content.
 
There are many areas that need to be addressed, but I'll hit on a few. Probably number 1 with a bullet is police reform. I hate the term 'defunding the police', but we've seen police reform work in Camden, where the entire police force was terminated and the department modified to reflect more community outreach. Dallas is another example of a city that focused on working with the community and de-escalation techniques instead of just standing guard over the city. And we need to get the white supremacists rooted out of police departments all over the country.

Tougher sanctions for banks and mortgage companies that practice redlining. It''s still happening, and Trumps policies and rhetoric obviously perpetuate that. What he's signaling is obviously 'we're going to keep the black thugs away from you'. The vast majority of black people I know want to do the same things that everyone wants to do, work, raise a family, own a home. We are segregating minorities.

We need to legalize marijuana, and stop using it as way of putting black men in for profit prisons. Interestingly, of all the things Trump has done, that's the area he deserves credit for.

Many of the rest of the reforms really address economic inequalities, which disproportionately impact minorities, especially blacks. Tax policy reform. Healthcare reform. Reforming public education to focus on preparing students for the jobs that will be integral to our economy. College has become a scam. We should be sending our best and our brightest, and make it affordable for them, instead of colleges using the dream of a degree as a way of swindling money. Ultimately though, the overall attitude of 'us' and 'them' has to change. I think it will. I look at my kids, and they don't get racism, or homophobia, it simply doesn't make sense to them. They're puzzled by it. That's a hopeful sign. But it is absolutely true that whites have generally felt the role of the police was to protect them from black people. That attitude HAS to change.

Bottom line, there needs to be reform in most of our institutions to address the fact that the starting line for a black person in America is way back of the one for whites, and we've put up hurdles that make it even harder. When we accept that as a reality, we'll all be better off, and we can start to roll up our sleeves and fix it.

I am a practical guy. I think there are practical solutions to these problems. But acknowledging them has to be the first step. I think we're at that point. Final point, I don't agree with a lot of the approaches that are being taken, but I understand them.

You ready to acknowledge that black men pose a more deadly threat to black men then the cops? Until you can that stuff you wrote above is pure unadulterated bullshit
 
What does that have to do with my response? Nothing. Instead of responding to a single point I made, you put a cute label on it, and asked a completely irrelevant question. Great job. Long on rhetoric, but completely absent any meaningful content.
Actually it was very meaningful and relevant....Can you answer his question?
 
This message is hidden because Yakuda is on your ignore list.

Utterly useless fucking poster.
 
What does that have to do with my response? Nothing. Instead of responding to a single point I made, you put a cute label on it, and asked a completely irrelevant question. Great job. Long on rhetoric, but completely absent any meaningful content.

The second part has to do with inequality. The first with the bolded from your post about the suburbs and keeping people out. Trumps rhetoric about the suburbs almost exactly matches those of NIMBYs. These folks may be on the complete opposite of the political spectrum but their goals are the same, keep the suburbs just as they are and by doing so they keep 'others' out and those 'others' tend to be lower income minorities.

Edit: To be fair to suburanittes NIMBYs exist in the City as well.
 
The second part has to do with inequality. The first with the bolded from your post about the suburbs and keeping people out. Trumps rhetoric about the suburbs almost exactly matches those of NIMBYs. These folks may be on the complete opposite of the political spectrum but their goals are the same, keep the suburbs just as they are and by doing so they keep 'others' out and those 'others' tend to be lower income minorities.

So, you can't intelligently address the points. Just say so. It would save time. At least you're admitting that you have nothing but rhetoric.
 
So, you can't intelligently address the points. Just say so. It would save time. At least you're admitting that you have nothing but rhetoric.

LOL. My bad for discussing issues that you brought up. This board is obviously the wrong place for that.
 
The second part has to do with inequality. The first with the bolded from your post about the suburbs and keeping people out. Trumps rhetoric about the suburbs almost exactly matches those of NIMBYs. These folks may be on the complete opposite of the political spectrum but their goals are the same, keep the suburbs just as they are and by doing so they keep 'others' out and those 'others' tend to be lower income minorities.

Edit: To be fair to suburanittes NIMBYs exist in the City as well.

Can you really blame people for being unwilling to see their neighrbourhoods descend into shitholes?
 
Can you really blame people for being unwilling to see their neighrbourhoods descend into shitholes?

I'm of two minds on this. On one hand I get it, people move into certain areas because they like the existing character of the neighborhood and what it offers. And thus, seeing it change with a lot of new development might not be all that appealing.

The free market side of me says when you restrict supply it causes what's happening in the Bay Area, along with other coastal cities, where the medium home price is $1 million. That's great if you are already an owner, but on the whole it's not good for the overall economy as it makes it less dynamic with less mobility.

The story that gets sold is people want to put low income section 8 housing in the middle of a single family neighborhood. In reality it's often duplexes or condos or higher end multi-family.
 
I'm of two minds on this. On one hand I get it, people move into certain areas because they like the existing character of the neighborhood and what it offers. And thus, seeing it change with a lot of new development might not be all that appealing.

The free market side of me says when you restrict supply it causes what's happening in the Bay Area, along with other coastal cities, where the medium home price is $1 million. That's great if you are already an owner, but on the whole it's not good for the overall economy as it makes it less dynamic with less mobility.

The story that gets sold is people want to put low income section 8 housing in the middle of a single family neighborhood. In reality it's often duplexes or condos or higher end multi-family.

Come to London and see what's happened to the old East End, the Cockneys have all gone. Places like West Ham, East Ham and Mile End are now more like Little Baghdad now.
 
Come to London and see what's happened to the old East End, the Cockneys have all gone. Places like West Ham, East Ham and Mile End are now more like Little Baghdad now.

You should have seen Baghdad during British imperialism and the British invasion, Comrade maggot. Get your potty-mouth 'round that one.
 
I have always taught my son that the place to "fight" the police is the courtroom not the roadside. If ANYBODY resists arrest he or she will be met with overwhelming force until they are forced to comply. If you look at the videos of "police abuse" the majority of the time the person is resisting arrest.
 
Come to London and see what's happened to the old East End, the Cockneys have all gone. Places like West Ham, East Ham and Mile End are now more like Little Baghdad now.

Cities are unique places. I can go ten blocks one direction and pass Nancy Pelosi, Diane Finestein and Gordon Getty (oil billionaire who has funded Gavin Newsom's political career) homes (among others) and I can go ten blocks in the other direction and see a bunch of homeless, drug dealers, strip clubs, prostitutes etc.

I get people go to the suburbs to leave that behind and like nice quiet and largely single family home neighborhoods. But to really address inequality, if that's ones goal, then allowing lower income people (not necessarily section 8 but more lower middle to middle class) people access to these nicer neighborhoods with good public schools is an excellent way to do so.
 
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So depite all the hysterical bullshit that emanates from the Left the cold hard facts say otherwise.



https://www.justfactsdaily.com/black-people-do-not-suffer-disproportionately-from-police-brutality/

Interesting that when you go to the referenced study



Basically what the study says about the shootings of unarmed blacks is if the police assume that a black is 4 times more likely than a white to be a criminal then the shootings are about the same as when assume the white person is 4 times less likely to be a criminal. That justifies shooting unarmed blacks at a rate 4 times the rate they shoot unarmed whites. Basically, if the cops are racist then the data can be used to justify their racism.

The study can be found here-
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Raw-Data-Used-in-All-Analyses_tbl1_325752754

The interesting thing is we can see an example that shows the obvious flaw in the study. An armed white 17 year old that just committed 2 murders is allowed to walk by police without any response from them. The authors of the study admit there could be flaws in the data based on how police conduct stops.
 
You should have seen Baghdad during British imperialism and the British invasion, Comrade maggot. Get your potty-mouth 'round that one.

I have a friend who was born in Baghdad and has lived in England for over fifty years. I'd prefer to listen to him rather than ignorant cunts like you!
 
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