Birthers and Pipers - Enough Is Enough

The Bare Knuckled Pundit

Grand Inquisitor
First there were the Birthers - those who fervently believe President Obama is in fact a constitutionally-ineligible usurper who is actually Kenyan, Indonesian, British or perhaps even Martian by birth. Now we have the Pipers - who believe the silver-tongued Obama will so enthrall an entire generation of our children over the course of 30 minutes that he will lead them like so many starry-eyed tweens at a Jonas Brothers concert down the primrose path to his vision of a Socialist American utopia.

Yes, despite the White House's billing of the President's remarks as the latest iteration of "eat your vegetables, do your homework and stay in school", the Pipers have seen through his poorly-crafted charade. Indeed, they see him for the pernicious political pied piper he truly is! Ever the duplicitous schemer, Obama will eschew mere encouragement for megalomaniacal indoctrination when he speaks to our children - gasp - live in their very classrooms via satellite today.

Allow me to say this as clearly and unequivocally as possible - Enough is enough.

Please, don't get me wrong. I wholeheartedly support freedom of speech and encourage everyone to be intimately and diligently involved in their children's education. But let's maintain a little perspective on this.

First, there are more than enough rational and substantive reasons to oppose Obama. We need not eagerly embrace an intellectually vapid knee jerk response to everything even remotely associated with his name. As a matter of fact, I can think of several trillion reasons off the top of my head. A figure that just so happens to coincide with projections of what the President's policy proposals and budgets will add to the national debt over the course of the next few years.

From health care reform and taxes to ""cap and trade" and Afghanistan to fundamentally altering the role and reach of government in society, there are too many consequential leviathans lurking in the political waters to waste our time drunkenly trawling for insubstantial red herrings.

Second, do you truly believe our children are so vacuous that the televised remarks of the President will turn them into subservient socialist zombies? Is your influence so inconsequential that Obama will be able to undue in a mere 30 minutes what you have tirelessly worked at day in and day out over the course of their entire lives? Is his appeal so alluring, his image so magnetic and his words so hypnotic that they will follow in his wake in Liberal lock-stepped legions?

In the process of fighting the supposed indoctrination of our children into mindless socialist vassals you're reinforcing the Liberal line of Conservatives being mind-numbed robots and nattering nabobs. Indeed, such hyperventilated histrionics ultimately give the President too much credit and parents too little

Finally, has the political environment become so toxic and polarized that the President of the United States can't encourage our children to focus on their homework and do well in school without being accused of cynical and devious ulterior motives? Can't we all agree that it's a positive thing to encourage our children to spend more time with their textbooks than on Facebook? Shouldn't our children's education and the impact it has on their and our nation's futures transcend petty partisan cynicism and bickering?

Look at where we land in global rankings of literacy, math and science scores and primary graduation rates. Nationally we're approaching a 30 percent high school dropout rate, while major cities like New York and Los Angeles already graduate less than half their students. That's to say nothing of Detroit's truly horrific 75 percent dropout rate.

Sorry to offend the faithful, but I'll happily accept the President's and anyone else's assistance in keeping our children focused and in school. I'll also have faith in my wife's and my own parenting abilities to be able to counteract any half-baked educational trends and ill-conceived politically correct tripe my son may encounter at school. He, his education and future are our responsibility and we, not the state, exercise the greatest influence over them after all.

In the end, perhaps the best words of wisdom come from an unlikely and ironic source, Liberal music icons and lyrical peaceniks Crosby Stills and Nash.

Teach your children well.

Remember, faithful readers, a mind is a terrible thing to waste. Or as former vice president Dan Quayle so insightfully stated, "What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is."

Stay tuned for further updates as events warrant and we see if Obama can both inspire our children and spell potato without the assistance of the ever-present presidential teleprompter.
 
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Agreed. This whole thing has been one great big Whoop de fucking do. Like in one speech Obama's going to turn all our kids into Orwellina mind controlled zombies.

Like you said, there's bigger fish to fry.

My guess is that the Pipers, not unlike the Birthers, don't exactly represent the portion of the population that places a premium on education in the first place.
 
I think it's the idea of having childrean swear to support the agenda of a president was the weird thing. The weird celeb video of people swearing personal allegiance to obama was disturbing. Did you nancys see that?
 
It wasn't the speech that got people worried, it was the published lesson plan. PreK kids "might" make posters showing how the President "inspired" them, for instance.

Once they dropped that rubbish any objection I had disappeared.
 
It wasn't the speech that got people worried, it was the published lesson plan. PreK kids "might" make posters showing how the President "inspired" them, for instance.

Once they dropped that rubbish any objection I had disappeared.
Even that was relatively innoccous. The lesson plan was only a "suggested" one but BKP's point is still vaild. Big Whoop even with the lesson plan. Obviously you can see what the administration thought bout it. Twas no big deal to them to get rid of it.
 
As a matter of fact, Zombie, I did not. I'd be interested to, though, definitely.

I must say I completely agree with the opposition to a politicized lesson plan. But that's been removed at this point. Kudos to the Pipers for that!

Nonetheless, I have no problem whatsoever with a lesson plan that encourages students to consider what they can do personally to help improve the nation and move it forward. From picking up trash at local playgrounds to holding canned food drives, volunteering with civic and church organizations to reading an extra 15 minutes a day, our children can personally make an impact on our nation immediately as well as in the future.

And I emphasize what they can do to help the nation, not the President. Not personally a big fan of cults of personality, you know.

If in fact, the President and the Administration thought they could sneak one under the radar in the currently highly polarized political environment, where Conservatives are feverishly watching the radars for any blip of Liberal activity, they were HIGHLY mistaken. Moreover, it calls their legendary political acumen into question.
 
Even that was relatively innoccous. The lesson plan was only a "suggested" one but BKP's point is still vaild. Big Whoop even with the lesson plan. Obviously you can see what the administration thought bout it. Twas no big deal to them to get rid of it.
I'm glad they got rid of it. I have no problem with the speech, I did with the "innocuous" lesson plan that had nothing in it that wasn't aggrandizing the President. And you and I both know that there are teacher supporters that would have followed it as if it were scripture (may still but that is for their parents to deal with).
 
As a matter of fact, Zombie, I did not. I'd be interested to, though, definitely.

I must say I completely agree with the opposition to a politicized lesson plan. But that's been removed at this point. Kudos to the Pipers for that!

Nonetheless, I have no problem whatsoever with a lesson plan that encourages students to consider what they can do personally to help improve the nation and move it forward. From picking up trash at local playgrounds to holding canned food drives, volunteering with civic and church organizations to reading an extra 15 minutes a day, our children can personally make an impact on our nation immediately as well as in the future.

And I emphasize what they can do to help the nation, not the President. Not personally a big fan of cults of personality, you know.

If in fact, the President and the Administration thought they could sneak one under the radar in the currently highly polarized political environment, where Conservatives are feverishly watching the radars for any blip of Liberal activity, they were HIGHLY mistaken. Moreover, it calls their legendary political acumen into question.
Exactly. What needed to be done was done. I am happy, my daughters will watch the speech at school today, and we'll have a nice conversation about it when they get home.

People that are still objecting to it just because it is Obama giving the speech are, IMO, doing exactly what they objected to.
 
Even that was relatively innoccous. The lesson plan was only a "suggested" one but BKP's point is still vaild. Big Whoop even with the lesson plan. Obviously you can see what the administration thought bout it. Twas no big deal to them to get rid of it.

it was merely a soft push to see how far they could get away with talking directly to kids in America about socialism. it didn't go well. they'll try it again in a couple of years.
 
As a matter of fact, Zombie, I did not. I'd be interested to, though, definitely.

I must say I completely agree with the opposition to a politicized lesson plan. But that's been removed at this point. Kudos to the Pipers for that!

Nonetheless, I have no problem whatsoever with a lesson plan that encourages students to consider what they can do personally to help improve the nation and move it forward. From picking up trash at local playgrounds to holding canned food drives, volunteering with civic and church organizations to reading an extra 15 minutes a day, our children can personally make an impact on our nation immediately as well as in the future.

And I emphasize what they can do to help the nation, not the President. Not personally a big fan of cults of personality, you know.

If in fact, the President and the Administration thought they could sneak one under the radar in the currently highly polarized political environment, where Conservatives are feverishly watching the radars for any blip of Liberal activity, they were HIGHLY mistaken. Moreover, it calls their legendary political acumen into question.
Democrat Political Acumen? Isn't that an oxymoron? LOL Ya know, like compasionate conservative?
 
I'm glad they got rid of it. I have no problem with the speech, I did with the "innocuous" lesson plan that had nothing in it that wasn't aggrandizing the President. And you and I both know that there are teacher supporters that would have followed it as if it were scripture (may still but that is for their parents to deal with).
I could have cared less. I thought it was a non-sequater. Personally I consider teachers professionals capable of exercising professional judgement. Let me put it to you this way. Since the Pledge of Allegiance is blatant political indoctrination, should we get rid of that? Should we forbid singing of our national anthem in schools since that to is political indoctrination?
 
I could have cared less. I thought it was a non-sequater. Personally I consider teachers professionals capable of exercising professional judgement. Let me put it to you this way. Since the Pledge of Allegiance is blatant political indoctrination, should we get rid of that? Should we forbid singing of our national anthem in schools since that to is political indoctrination?
I would have no problem with that, although the pledge and the anthem have no particular political affiliation. I think it is a reach to compare the national anthem and the pledge to direct aggrandizing of a specific person by the teacher that students look to for knowledge rather than ideology. There is no "R" next to the pledge, there is no "D" next to the national anthem.

There is a reason you begin your children in religions very young, because they are far more likelier to build lifetime beliefs at that age, even if it is illogical.

And I do not share your belief that every teacher can be trusted not to push their own beliefs on kids.
 
why do you consider it farfetched.....it worked with Democrats at the 2004 convention.....

Given the arduous and often bitter campaign that played out between Obama and Clinton for the nomination, and the 18+ million votes she received along the way, I'd hardly characterize the Democrats as having been Orwellian mind-controlled O-zombies in the wake of the 2004 Convention.

To the contrary, the conventional wisdom as late as Labor Day 2007 already had Hillary looking at fabric swatches for new White House carpet and drapes. Yet another example why conventional wisdom isn't always the wise bet.
 
I would have no problem with that, although the pledge and the anthem have no particular political affiliation. I think it is a reach to compare the national anthem and the pledge to direct aggrandizing of a specific person by the teacher that students look to for knowledge rather than ideology. There is no "R" next to the pledge, there is no "D" next to the national anthem.

There is a reason you begin your children in religions very young, because they are far more likelier to build lifetime beliefs at that age, even if it is illogical.

And I do not share your belief that every teacher can be trusted not to push their own beliefs on kids.
Let's be consistant. Their both used for political indoctrination. Are you for or against political indoctrination?
 
Let's be consistant. Their both used for political indoctrination. Are you for or against political indoctrination?
Let's be honest, they are not the same thing and you know it. I am very consistent. I have no problem with the "banning" of the pledge or the national anthem, I also have no issue with them teaching them as they are not partisan, do not aggrandize one man, and do not link to any specific partisan ideation.

Again, I am against partisan political indoctrination which is very different from teaching civics, history, the pledge, etc.

(The anthem and pledge are not partisan or specific to one ideology or man, pretending you cannot comprehend a difference or see beyond the artificial limitations of your attempt to lead the conversation into stupid notwithstanding.)
 
Given the arduous and often bitter campaign that played out between Obama and Clinton for the nomination, and the 18+ million votes she received along the way, I'd hardly characterize the Democrats as having been Orwellian mind-controlled O-zombies in the wake of the 2004 Convention.

To the contrary, the conventional wisdom as late as Labor Day 2007 already had Hillary looking at fabric swatches for new White House carpet and drapes. Yet another example why conventional wisdom isn't always the wise bet.

to the contrary....if Obama's single speech in 2004 hadn't convinced so many people that he just HAD to be president, Hillary WOULD have picked out the drapes.....so maybe ALL Democrats didn't turn into Ozombies, but enough of them did....
 
Let's be honest, they are not the same thing and you know it. I am very consistent. I have no problem with the "banning" of the pledge or the national anthem, I also have no issue with them teaching them as they are not partisan, do not aggrandize one man, and do not link to any specific partisan ideation.

Again, I am against partisan political indoctrination which is very different from teaching civics, history, the pledge, etc.

(The anthem and pledge are not partisan or specific to one ideology or man, pretending you cannot comprehend a difference or see beyond the artificial limitations of your attempt to lead the conversation into stupid notwithstanding.)
I didn't say they were the same thing. I said they were both (meaning the Pledge of Allegiance and Singing the National Anthem) are political indoctrination. Are you for or against political indoctrination?
 
to the contrary....if Obama's single speech in 2004 hadn't convinced so many people that he just HAD to be president, Hillary WOULD have picked out the drapes.....so maybe ALL Democrats didn't turn into Ozombies, but enough of them did....
Well aint that the pot calling the Kettle black. How many of Bush's fuck ups did you walk in lock step with? What's really offensive is I bet I can give a whole hell of a lot more reasons why I voted for Obama then you can for whomever you voted for besides, he's a white guy. In fact I bet I can give you more reasons why I voted for the McCain in 2000 then you can assuming you voted for him in 2008 which would bring up the point that if Obama supporter are such Zombies, why did you support an inept incompetent, like Bush, in 2000 instead of supporting McCain? So who's the zombie now?
 
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