Biological sex vs gender

[AProudLefty]

He looks like he said PHAT.

 

[Margot]

I don't know why things are labeled feminine or masculine so much. Why the fuck do we make such preprogrammed attitudes and esthetics?

For me male and female are physical terms.
I use them because part of my gender is what mainstream would call masculine, the other side Janis, is definitely what mainstream would call feminine.
Maybe other terms would be better,I have no idea what they could be?

 

[Jade Dragon]

For me male and female are physical terms.
I use them because part of my gender is what mainstream would call masculine, the other side Janis, is definitely what mainstream would call feminine.
Maybe other terms would be better,I have no idea what they could be?

Labeling items masculine or feminine is pretty stupid in my book. My two favorite scents are rose and vetiver. One is called feminine, the other is called masculine. Why not just say they smell good and be done with all these labels? Dictating what is gender specific is what causes all this unease with gender.

 

[Margot]

Labeling items masculine or feminine is pretty stupid in my book. My two favorite scents are rose and vetiver. One is called feminine, the other is called masculine. Why not just say they smell good and be done with all these labels? Dictating what is gender specific is what causes all this unease with gender.

What causes gender issues,is misunderstanding gender for sex, trans that transition, and trans women in women's sports!
But I understand what you mean! Putting gender a side for a moment,not every
Man is a manly man (many of which are gay) and not every girl is a girly girl!

 

[Yakuda]

No. But they can mimic with surgery and hormones.
I asked a pre-transition trans friend of mine what the estrogen does for her,she said "It makes me think how I want to think.

Ok great so a male cannot become a female. But mimic isn't the same as being that thing correct? Parrots mimic speech but they arent speaking.

That makes no sense. "It makes me think how I want to think". How did they know what they wanted to think if they.l didnt have the estrogen before?

 

[Yakuda]

You were the one who brought it up. You posted it as a fact.

I am just wondering how you got there.

So why not humor me...and tell me (all of us) how you got there.

Got where Francis? I have not idea what your talking about. I dont generally follow the conversations I have with you very closely. Copy and paste what the fuck you're talking about and I'll consider answering.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Okay. Try to follow...if you are able:

You wrote: "So a female can never be a male but can be a man...A male can never be a female but can be a woman."

So I asked, "Give a P1 and P2 that result in a C of: Therefore a female can never be a male but can be a man...and a male can never be a female but can be a woman."

To which you replied, "No need."

To which I replied, "You were the one who brought it up. You posted it as a fact. I am just wondering how you got there. So why not humor me...and tell me (all of us) how you got there." (To that supposed fact.)

 

[Margot]

Ok great so a male cannot become a female. But mimic isn't the same as being that thing correct? Parrots mimic speech but they arent speaking.

That makes no sense. "It makes me think how I want to think". How did they know what they wanted to think if they.l didnt have the estrogen before?

First she took estrogen because she is trans! But not all trans are the same ! Many believe they are female in a male body and visa versa! That's not the case with my friend, she actually is Bigender like me ,but the difference there's animosity between her male and female sides,she wants to only be her female side. Actually she is trying to whack her male side,with estrogen and surgery!
I am different, both sides live in harmony!

 

[Yakuda]

First she took estrogen because she is trans! But not all trans are the same ! Many believe they are female in a male body and visa versa! That's not the case with my friend, she actually is Bigender like me ,but the difference there's animosity between her male and female sides,she wants to only be her female side. Actually she is trying to whack her male side,with estrogen and surgery!
I am different, both sides live in harmony!

So you're bigender which means what? If I might ask what is your physical sex? That's the term you used correct? Physical sex.

 

[Margot]

So you're bigender which means what? If I might ask what is your physical sex? That's the term you used correct? Physical sex.

Physical male, my personality and Spirit are Feminine and Masculine ,usually at the same time! Which is why I am Bigender or Two Spirit.
Or I would be gender fluid if I went from one to the other.

 

[Yakuda]

Physical male, my personality and Spirit are Feminine and Masculine ,usually at the same time! Which is why I am Bigender or Two Spirit.
Or I would be gender fluid if I went from one to the other.

Thank you for sharing that. So your personality and spirit are masculine and feminine thereby your gender is bigender. So your gender has nothing to do with you being a male, correct? Or it's not dictated by you being a male.

 

[Margot]

Thank you for sharing that. So your personality and spirit are masculine and feminine thereby your gender is bigender. So your gender has nothing to do with you being a male, correct? Or it's not dictated by you being a male.

Exactly! Physical male, gender bigender. Janis and Mike

 

[Yakuda]

Exactly! Physical male, gender bigender. Janis and Mike

So if physical sex has nothing to do with gender why do people feel compelled to lop stuff off or put stuff on to try and change their appearance? They can't change their physical sex so they are only changing how they look. Why? One has nothing to do with the other right?

 

[Yakuda]

Okay. Try to follow...if you are able:

You wrote: "So a female can never be a male but can be a man...A male can never be a female but can be a woman."

So I asked, "Give a P1 and P2 that result in a C of: Therefore a female can never be a male but can be a man...and a male can never be a female but can be a woman."

To which you replied, "No need."

To which I replied, "You were the one who brought it up. You posted it as a fact. I am just wondering how you got there. So why not humor me...and tell me (all of us) how you got there." (To that supposed fact.)

I didn't bring up P1 P2 results in C you did. Wake the fuck up.

Its not needed because other people read the same thing you did that i wrote and they were able to carry on a conversation without P1P2 result in C. You seem incapable.

Besides I told you already I don't follow the conversations I have with you very closely. Most of your gibberish I ignore.

 

[Margot]

So if physical sex has nothing to do with gender why do people feel compelled to lop stuff off or put stuff on to try and change their appearance? They can't change their physical sex so they are only changing how they look. Why? One has nothing to do with the other right?

Some feel trapped in a body that doesn't match their gender!
One size doesn't fit all with non binary people.

 

[Yakuda]

Some feel trapped in a body that doesn't match their gender!
One size doesn't fit all with non binary people.

And people think changing their appearance is going to make that better? They're still that physical sex. It may mimic the other physical sex like you said but thats not the same as being the other sex, right?

And isn't the term gender a classification for all species? Male and female are the genders correct, not the term sex? An adult male chicken is a rooster. An adult male human is a man. It identifies there is a distinction from the female of the species.