Bill Moyer on guns in USA

[signalmankenneth]

Our culture is certainly a more violent culture than the UK's.

And the 2nd Amendment was not written for hunters. That is the least important use. It is about people being able to protect themselves and about being able to keep the gov't from becoming too corrupt.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Neither country you mentioned has the homicide rate of the US .. and none of them are as inundated with guns as the US.

The Swiss are required by law to keep guns. The French have the highest rate of firearms ownership per capita in Europe, 3rd highest in the world. Canada is the 2nd highest in the world.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

In a comparison with Australia, Austria, Canada, Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, United Kingdom (England and Wales), United Kingdom (Northern Ireland) and the United Kingdom (Scotland) .. the gun homicide rate in the US is 15 times higher that those nations. So yes, rampant is fitting.

What's their TOTAL homicide rate? That's the number that actually matters.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

I can think of at least one instance in which the plethora of guns prevented a tyrant from attacking mainland USA.

Also, that we have not had to overthrow the gov't doesn't mean that intent of the 2nd failed. In fact, it could mean it succeeded quite well.

But how about showing the number of innocent lives saved by firearms in private ownership? Can you get a number for that?

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

Well, it's clear we need more tyrants then Ken. That's the only logical conclusion you could possibly infer from your utter retardation.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

What's their TOTAL homicide rate? That's the number that actually matters.

What also matters is that the murder rate in the UK and Australia is steadily rising.Whereas the homicide rate in the US is not, but is actually falling.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

What also matters is that the murder rate in the UK and Australia is steadily rising.Whereas the homicide rate in the US is not, but is actually falling.

How foolish it is of us to suggest that crime is far more complicated than "gunz=teh Evilz".

 

[gui1tars]

But it is the people and the violent nature of our society that MUST be addressed and held accountable. I understand that guns are not difficult to get. But it is much harder than it was in the 60s or the 50s. Hell, in the 50s you could sign up for a marksmanship program and they would either loan of GIVE you a rifle. And not some cheap piece of garbage, but a Garand that had been a US Military standard rifle.

We have restricted gun ownership (not by huge amounts), and the result has been nothing. We have removed all the public praise for guns and shooting from schools and the popular media. This has happened in my lifetime.

Boyscouts used to get merit badges for marksmanship. Shooting competitions were common entertainment for entire communities as recently as 50 years ago. Schools used to have rifle training and marksmanship competitions.

It is our society that has become dangerous and violent. People will walk away from those in need without looking back. That alone shows a complete disregard for human life. We have become so complacent about people dying that it is now a matter of numbers and body-count. Unless you kill a dozen, you don't even make the news.

The guns are merely a tool. The disease is in our society.

And the result has been nothing? Who measured that but more importantly how did they measure it?

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

And the result has been nothing? Who measured that but more importantly how did they measure it?

According to those I have been discussuing the issue with, the result has been so close to nothing as to be inconsequential. To hear them tell it, we are just a shoot'em up society.

 

[dixon76710]

There is a clear correlation between the availability of guns and gun violence.

I was comparing murder rates to murder rates. Of course a nation that bans guns is going to have fewer murders by guns

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

If he paid with credit cards there's no mystery. CC companies target college students to get them hooked and deeply in debt early. He would have had no problem getting numerous credit cards and charging this shit. It's not like he was worried about paying it off.

If he paid cash that's something to look into. But since he was ordering off the internet I don't see how that's likely.

Clearly he just needed to keep on spending more. They should have increased his line of credit. It should have been twice as big. That way he could have spent his way out of his debt problem.

 

[gui1tars]

According to those I have been discussuing the issue with, the result has been so close to nothing as to be inconsequential. To hear them tell it, we are just a shoot'em up society.

So, it hasn't been measured and you're just running your mouth? I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya!!!!!!!!!

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

So, it hasn't been measured and you're just running your mouth? I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya!!!!!!!!!

Yes, nothing. Gun laws have had no affect, positive or negative, on the number of violent crimes committed. The per capita murder rate of NYC is the same, give or take 3% (yearly variables) from 100 years ago to today. Poverty, education, and other socio-economic conditions dictate the crime rate, not how big the magazine limit for pistols is, or if I have a scary looking gun in my house.