Bill Clinton will be at least co-president and likely de facto president!!!!

cawacko said:
Hopefully Hillary will cut taxes and deregulate like her husband because that is what our economy needs
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Republican rewrites (o' the past) can be SO AMUSING!!!!​


"Not only was the entire national deficit eliminated after raising taxes on the wealthy in 1993, but the economy grew so fast for the remainder of the decade that many conservative economists thought that the Fed should raise the prime interest rate in order to slow it down."

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domer76 said:
It's the economy, stupid.
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.....And, The Heritage Foundation made EVERY EFFORT to REMIND everyone, o' that!!!
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May 15, 1996 - "Flash back four years: With the American economy just emerging from a two-year recession in the fall of 1992 and many Americans nervous about their economic prospects, Carville's one-note samba -- played over and over again throughout the campaign -- clearly helped propel Bill Clinton into the White House, forcing George Bush to retire to his beloved Texas.

Now it's Bill Clinton's turn to run for re-election. And though the economy is not moving backward (the definition of a recession), it's not setting any speed records either. Fifty percent of major U.S. companies trimmed their payrolls in the 12 months ending June 1995, some of them significantly. Indeed, from March 1995 to March 1996, 325,000 high-paying manufacturing jobs disappeared, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The public -- especially the nearly 8 million people who are working two or more jobs to make ends meet -- know something is amiss. And they are concerned.

The administration's initial response was a mix of denial and cheerleading: the silly claim that the economy is the healthiest it's been in 30 years. The White House has had the good sense to back off a bit from this claim."

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And since I know how much you love Wall St you can thank the Clinton administration for bailing out Wall St vis a vis Mexico and really escalating wall st's risk taking ultimately culminating in the financial crisis
 
so what's next? "open borders" with hemispheric trade? (per HRClinton)?
Because that's worked so well....
 
anatta said:
so what's next? "open borders" with hemispheric trade? (per HRClinton)?
Because that's worked so well....
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What's need is a loosening up of the American econony to allow it to "roar" again. Excessive regulation that holds it back and encourages rent seeking hurt all of us except the beneficiaries of said rent seeking
 
cawacko said:
What's need is a loosening up of the American econony to allow it to "roar" again. Excessive regulation that holds it back and encourages rent seeking hurt all of us except the beneficiaries of said rent seeking
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You can dream. Remember those demographics that you say we can't and shouldn't do anything about?

They will assure that you will just wax poetic about what you wish will happen.

You say there is nothing you can do but I say that is a cop out and excuse. I just think you are a coward afraid to really stand up for your beliefs. You really should become a democrat.
 
cawacko said:
What's need is a loosening up of the American econony to allow it to "roar" again. Excessive regulation that holds it back and encourages rent seeking hurt all of us except the beneficiaries of said rent seeking
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absolutely. we are regulated to death. I read someplace a US manufacturing job carrys about $18k worth of regs.

The worst thing though are the mindless regs based on agency ideology -energy sector is a main player
 
Crooked ILLary said:
You can dream. Remember those demographics that you say we can't and shouldn't do anything about?

They will assure that you will just wax poetic about what you wish will happen.

You say there is nothing you can do but I say that is a cop out and excuse. I just think you are a coward afraid to really stand up for your beliefs. You really should become a democrat.
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What we can do about demographics is bring more people into the Republican fold. The idea that (Trump) anyone is going to prevent (non white) immigrants into this country and kick (non white) immigrants here illegally all out isn't reality.
 
".....Especially when trying to defend a President who" #16
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I defend the truth. Let the chips fall where they may.
I gained enough wealth during the Clinton administration to retire at age 43. That's pretty good.
And under 7 years of Obama, my income has tripled.
Talk bad about "liberals" all you like.
I seem to do quite well during Democrat administrations.

Coincidence?
"Hopefully Hillary will cut taxes and deregulate like her husband because that is what our economy needs" #18
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Some economists have blamed the Bush recession ("worst since the Great Depression") on the "sub-prime mortgage meltdown". And some economists have blamed that on President Clinton working with Speaker Gingrich to repeal Glass-Steagel; thus nuking regulatory protections. With the regulatory protection gone, working people had to $pay to $bail $out $millionaire $bankers, the way we did during the Bush Recession.

There are likely some regs. we should get rid of; Drug War an obvious example.
But let's not deregulate for sake of deregulation; or we may just end up back where Bush / Cheney / Paulson left us in 2009.
 
cawacko said:
What we can do about demographics is bring more people into the Republican fold. The idea that (Trump) anyone is going to prevent (non white) immigrants into this country and kick (non white) immigrants here illegally all out isn't reality.
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To do that Republicans will need to back off of the ugly rhetoric towards illegals while advocating sensible changes and the will also need to back off on changing the focus of legal immigration from uniting families to emphasizing business needs.

Family will always.....dare I say it...Trump business on immigration reform.

Common ground can be met on restriction on the rate of legal immigration but even there you must be careful as a certain level of immigration is needed to keep our labor market healthy.


What is certainly not working is Trumps demonizing immigrants to appeal to the alt-right.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
To do that Republicans will need to back off of the ugly rhetoric towards illegals while advocating sensible changes and the will also need to back off on changing the focus of legal immigration from uniting families to emphasizing business needs.

Family will always.....dare I say it...Trump business on immigration reform.

Common ground can be met on restriction on the rate of legal immigration but even there you must be careful as a certain level of immigration is needed to keep our labor market healthy.


What is certainly not working is Trumps demonizing immigrants to appeal to the alt-right.
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It worked well enough to get him the nomination. You're talking sense, but a large portion of the party might call you a RINO.
 
"It worked well enough to get him the nomination." #35
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But getting free publicity with wild promises:
- I'm gunna build a wall
- Mexico will pay for it
- I'll put an end to ISIS / I know more about it than our military commanders

etc.
But there's more to being president than jive-talking.

Trump would fail as president. But I hope the U.S. electorate won't give him that chance.
 
sear said:
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I defend the truth. Let the chips fall where they may.
I gained enough wealth during the Clinton administration to retire at age 43. That's pretty good.
And under 7 years of Obama, my income has tripled.
Talk bad about "liberals" all you like.
I seem to do quite well during Democrat administrations.

Coincidence?

Some economists have blamed the Bush recession ("worst since the Great Depression") on the "sub-prime mortgage meltdown". And some economists have blamed that on President Clinton working with Speaker Gingrich to repeal Glass-Steagel; thus nuking regulatory protections. With the regulatory protection gone, working people had to $pay to $bail $out $millionaire $bankers, the way we did during the Bush Recession.

There are likely some regs. we should get rid of; Drug War an obvious example.
But let's not deregulate for sake of deregulation; or we may just end up back where Bush / Cheney / Paulson left us in 2009.
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"Deregulation for the sake of deregulation" is a Desh line. Do you have an example of it?
 
cawacko said:
What we can do about demographics is bring more people into the Republican fold. The idea that (Trump) anyone is going to prevent (non white) immigrants into this country and kick (non white) immigrants here illegally all out isn't reality.
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You say that a lot and I know it makes you feel good and it definitely makes you appear "reasonable" to the board lefties which I know is a high priority to you, but how specifically do you think we will bring them into the fold? I mean real specifics.

Is it your contention that there is this pent up GOP support among illegal immigrants were we only to stop talking about them breaking the law?

Do you believe we should even have immigration laws?

What other laws should we ignore in an effort to pander to illegal immigrants?

Oh and it would be very easy to get them out of the country.

All we have to do is put the following laws in place

1) no non citizen can receive health care
2) no non citizen can receive welfare of any kind
3) no non citizen can buy property/land
4) no non citizen can attend public schools
5) no non citizen can receive social security benefits
6) and employer found to be employing illegal immigrants will be fined $25,000 per employee and those who report them will be give a 10% finders fee

Within two years the bulk of them will self deport. They got here didn't they? They can find their way back. We can even buy them a bus ticket if they turn themselves in.

As I said, you have already given up and you willingly buy into lefties tropes. You really should consider becoming a democrat. I think you would be more at home
 
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Crooked ILLary said:
You say that a lot and I know it makes you feel good and it definitely makes you appear "reasonable" to the board lefties which I know is a high priority to you, but how specifically do you think we will bring them into the fold? I mean real specifics.

Is it your contention that there is this pent up GOP support among illegal immigrants were we only to stop talking about them breaking the law?

Do you believe we should even have immigration laws?

What other laws should we ignore in an effort to pander to illegal immigrants?

Oh and it would be very easy to get them out of the country.

All we have to do is put the following laws in place

1) no non citizen can receive health care
2) no non citizen can receive welfare of any kind
3) no non citizen can buy property/land
4) no non citizen can attend public schools
5) no non citizen can receive social security benefits
6) and employer found to be employing illegal immigrants will be fined $25,000 per employee and those who report them will be give a 10% finders fee

Within two years the bulk of them will self deport. They got here didn't they? They can find their way back. We can even buy them a bus ticket if they turn themselves in.

As I said, you have already given up and you willingly buy into lefties tropes. You really should consider becoming a democrat. I think you would be more at home
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Considering liberals on the board have called me racist, a free market ideologue, a Trumptard and a butt hurt partisan hack I don't think I'm in any danger of being on the board liberals Christmas card lists (if they even celebrate it).

As far as asking about policy like you've said before the only control we have is out voting. You said you have written in Calvin Coolidge several times for President which is 100% your right but is really no different than me not voting for Trump. You also haven't said where you live which is again your right but it doesn't tell us where you are in the voting order. Living in California everything nationally is decided by the time it gets to me. I have basically no say nationally.

As to what you list, Congress could propose and/or all that, nothing is stopping them to my knowledge. Prop 187 was passed by voters in California but shot down by the courts.

And no, I don't think illegal immigration is the only way to win Hispanic votes. For example look at how Bush campaigned for their votes compared to Trump and we see why there is such a large delta between support for the two.

If the only issue to determine whether one is a Republican or not is immigration the party is going to be very small going forward
 
cawacko said:
What's need is a loosening up of the American econony to allow it to "roar" again. Excessive regulation that holds it back and encourages rent seeking hurt all of us except the beneficiaries of said rent seeking
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. NoNONONO. We need to kick out the illegals and greatly reduce welfare. Then maybe the economy will roar. THINK
 
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