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evince said:
What do the vast majority of Americans say asshole loser?
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I asked you but if you want me to answer that specifically the majority of Americans do not wait until their child is born to recognize them as a baby...if they are "wanted"... of course it's another story if it's not convenient or the child is unwanted for any reason... isn't that correct?
 
TOP said:
I asked you but if you want me to answer that specifically the majority of Americans do not wait until their child is born to recognize them as a baby...if they are "wanted"... of course it's another story if it's not convenient or the child is unwanted for any reason... isn't that correct?
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So you are going to order people to have babies like a fucking fascist
 
TOP said:
So you've labeled a few people you dislike.. you certainly didn't label me... if anyone is trying t0o dictate how others should live it would be someone like you who seems to believe that a child isn't a child until it's actually born.. unless you want that child... is that correct?
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Except i did label. You are deplorable. See i did it again. Your denial does not change that.

Science says zygotes are not children not me. I agree with science but that is not my definition.

So no, you are incorrect.
 
TOP said:
So you've labeled a few people you dislike.. you certainly didn't label me... if anyone is trying t0o dictate how others should live it would be someone like you who seems to believe that a child isn't a child until it's actually born.. unless you want that child... is that correct?
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I'm honestly not understanding how women's rights advocates are telling others how to live, TOP.

It certainly seems to me that the anti-choice crowd are the ones trying to do that.

I also don't accept the fact
that a life in which the rewards don't at least adequately compensate the travails
is anything but a net-negative experience.

Could the difference be, in the end,
that you have markedly lower standards as to what constitutes a worthwhile life
than do liberals?

If that's the case, I sincerely find it difficult to feel wrong
that life should be more than minimally tolerable.
 
QP! said:
Except i did label. You are deplorable. See i did it again. Your denial does not change that.

Science says zygotes are not children not me. I agree with science but that is not my definition.

So no, you are incorrect.
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I'm nowhere near what you describe as someone who is a deplorable... not even close.... that being said you're telling me what science says but I asked what you say... but I asked what you believe..
were your children not your babies until they were born? I'm pretty sure you and your wife didn't stick to the science and tell everyone that she was with zygote or fetus... or am I wrong? This isn't any kind of judgment on you personally this is what anyone would do if they were having a child that they wanted... science only comes into play when the baby is unwanted...
 
evince said:
So you are going to order people to have babies like a fucking fascist
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And beyond that people are free to BELIEVE what they want and no one is disputing that.

If a couple has been struggling to conceive a baby and every time the man ejaculates in the woman she believes she can feel a baby growing already, based on her desperation and hope, that is fine for her to believe.

Science tell us she does not have a baby in her yet. Heck the sperm is likely to not even have completed the journey to the egg yet. But she can believe that.

So why TOP thinks it is a convincing argument to say 'what people believe' when what we should be considering is what the science says, is just TOP being deplorable and dumb.
 
TOP said:
I'm nowhere near what you describe as someone who is a deplorable... not even close.... that being said you're telling me what science says but I asked what you say... but I asked what you believe..
were your children not your babies until they were born? I'm pretty sure you and your wife didn't stick to the science and tell everyone that she was with zygote or fetus... or am I wrong? This isn't any kind of judgment on you personally this is what anyone would do if they were having a child that they wanted... science only comes into play when the baby is unwanted...
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You keep going back to the life issue instead of the quality of life issue.

Being born wanted gives one a fighting chance
[although if your parents can't really afford you, you're still pretty much screwed].

Being born unwanted is simply an unnecessary and unfortunate experience for anybody.
 
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TOP said:
I'm nowhere near what you describe as someone who is a deplorable... not even close.... that being said you're telling me what science says but I asked what you say... but I asked what you believe..
were your children not your babies until they were born? I'm pretty sure you and your wife didn't stick to the science and tell everyone that she was with zygote or fetus... or am I wrong? This isn't any kind of judgment on you personally this is what anyone would do if they were having a child that they wanted... science only comes into play when the baby is unwanted...
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Nope sorry. I am not someone who rewrites fact and science for my emotional needs or reasons.

If i said to someone 'we are having a baby' and they replied 'well it's not a baby yet', i would reply 'i know, but it will develop in to one'.

And that is because i am neither delusional nor deplorable. Facts and truth do not offend me such that i have to change them due to emotion. So i did answer you as my personal view matches the science.

Now your turn to answer a question.

Do you agree with the people who believe life begins at ejaculation and thus forms of 'contraception and abortion are both wrong as fruits of the same poisoned tree', as many fundamentalist believe?
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I'm honestly not understanding how women's rights advocates are telling others how to live, TOP.

It certainly seems to me that the anti-choice crowd are the ones trying to do that.

I also don't accept the fact
that a life in which the rewards don't at least adequately compensate the travails
is anything but a net-negative experience.

Could the difference be, in the end,
that you have markedly lower standards as to what constitutes a worthwhile life
than do liberals?

If that's the case, I sincerely find it difficult to feel wrong
that life should be more than minimally tolerable.
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When you and your wife found out that you were expecting your children did you recognize them as your babies immediately or did you wait until they were born? Women's right Advocates are insisting that there is no child until after birth and so terminating that life is not terminating a child.. unless you want that child... that's being rather judgmental and telling someone what to think or believe... and so pretty much telling them how to live... I don't think it's lowering standards to have the expectation of every child having a chance if at all possible.. of course we shall never agree about what constitutes quality of life..... you were blessed with healthy children as far as I know would your decision to bring them into the world have been any different if perhaps one of them had had a genetic difficulty? Or one had been a girl when you wanted a boy? Or the birth would have conflicted with a cruise that had been pre-booked? Or the child had been unplanned... I hope you realize that where I'm going with this is not strictly personal to you just some examples... on the other hand if you really think there's such a huge difference between liberals and conservatives when it comes to like being tolerable there isn't much I can say.... I do you think your perspective is kind of fascinating.... he would totally get along with a lot of the families here... very generational....
 
evince said:
And the American people don’t want to live under his rules
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And again i would go even beyond that.

Put aside that Evangelicals as a group were largely all very pro choice until they got butt hurt over losing all their court battles to keep society segregated (deplorable) and lets ignore that.


Even if these religious zealots honestly hold their beliefs, why do they think that gives them the right to impose them on others.

ANother "fundamentalist" group, Jews, believe, via their holy book, that abortion is a right that MUST accessible via God's word. They too are entitled to their belief.

I want TOP to tell us how to reconcile the above and who should be the one to be able to impose their beliefs on the other?

Is it simply the one with more power? More votes? Might equals right???

Why does not one the one who believes abortion is wrong not do it, and answer to their God when they die. And the one who believes abortion must be accessible to them live to their beliefs and answer to their God. And the same for us who are not religious.


People like TOP say 'nuh huh if i can gain the political power or even physical might (ie Taliban) I will force you to live to my beliefs', while they would decry if the others tried to force them to live to theirs.
 
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