Big Issue Topics Voted On By People, Not Congress? Good idea or bad?

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Tell me if this is a bad idea and why.

Big issue topics in gridlock should be voted on by the people in polls. It could even be a 1 topic voting day. 51% or more vote wins a change.

I believe in this only if we can iron out a good voterID program that does not exclude Americans.

Only issues that have been in gridlock or controversy for an extended period of time. (set year limit)

I say this because the PEOPLE control America. Not Congress. If the majority of the people want something, the rest of Americans simply have to deal with it and quit crying.

I'm open to mature critisizm. It's just a thought.
 
Very bad idea. This is not a Democracy; it is a Republuc of states. The genius of this constitution and the way this Government is set up to work ensures that mob rule of high population States do not usurp the rights of smaller States.

If it was up to the majority, rural States would never get a say in our politics.

It seems that only Liberals want rule by mob and it is based on an incredible ignorance of our Constitution and the principles behind it. Our Government wasn't designed to work; it was designed as a necessary evil which informed voters kept in check by remaining indendent and taking care of themselves.

I don't know what has happened to our society over the last 50 years; but we seem to be rushing towards a Detroit like existence where one is content being a willing dependent of the Nanny State.
 
People are morons. The majority isn't always right.

YES - the wishes of the people they represent should be considered by Congress. But Congress is supposed to be able to see the big picture; understand the laws; and (hopefully) have more information than the average person.

And if Congress does something people don't like,they can be voted out.

With majority vote, we would still have laws banning interracial marriage. That's just one example that the majority isn't always right.

Congress is there - along with the courts - to protect minorities from the abuses of the majority.
 
Tell me if this is a bad idea and why.

Big issue topics in gridlock should be voted on by the people in polls. It could even be a 1 topic voting day. 51% or more vote wins a change.

I believe in this only if we can iron out a good voterID program that does not exclude Americans.

Only issues that have been in gridlock or controversy for an extended period of time. (set year limit)

I say this because the PEOPLE control America. Not Congress. If the majority of the people want something, the rest of Americans simply have to deal with it and quit crying.

I'm open to mature critisizm. It's just a thought.


Ever watch the Jay Leno show.....he does a bit called "Jaywalking", and what it proves is that there are too many idiots roaming the streets now
that sadly have the power to vote....and they are clearly too stupid to make important decisions that will affect the entire country....

You see them at Tea Party rallies and I see them at rallies supporting Obama, either way, I get nervous every election day thinking about them....
 
Very bad idea. This is not a Democracy; it is a Republuc of states. The genius of this constitution and the way this Government is set up to work ensures that mob rule of high population States do not usurp the rights of smaller States.

If it was up to the majority, rural States would never get a say in our politics.

It seems that only Liberals want rule by mob and it is based on an incredible ignorance of our Constitution and the principles behind it. Our Government wasn't designed to work; it was designed as a necessary evil which informed voters kept in check by remaining indendent and taking care of themselves.

I don't know what has happened to our society over the last 50 years; but we seem to be rushing towards a Detroit like existence where one is content being a willing dependent of the Nanny State.

I know you are new to politics so I won't make you feel stupid but our system is set up where not every vote counts. I'm not stating and never did state that our whole political voting system should change. I was presenting a measure on big topics where EVERY VOTE COUNTS.

You criticize me for thinking that the majority of Americans know the right thing to do? Pretty anti-American of you kiddo.
 
People are morons. The majority isn't always right.

YES - the wishes of the people they represent should be considered by Congress. But Congress is supposed to be able to see the big picture; understand the laws; and (hopefully) have more information than the average person.

And if Congress does something people don't like,they can be voted out.

With majority vote, we would still have laws banning interracial marriage. That's just one example that the majority isn't always right.

Congress is there - along with the courts - to protect minorities from the abuses of the majority.

Americans are only "stupid" because they aren't involved. Most people I know are Republicans who only vote on 1 topic. And maybe this is where this stems from.

I expected the Right Wing to criticize Americans but not the Left.

I think Americans are smart but they feel powerless. I think if we all have power, we will all care. Today we know more about Football than Politics.
 
Ever watch the Jay Leno show.....he does a bit called "Jaywalking", and what it proves is that there are too many idiots roaming the streets now
that sadly have the power to vote....and they are clearly too stupid to make important decisions that will affect the entire country....

You see them at Tea Party rallies and I see them at rallies supporting Obama, either way, I get nervous every election day thinking about them....

Another poster who thinks the majority of Americans are idiots.

You all are pathetic. Idiots are out there, but your little internet clips of a random dumb person doesn't mean the majority of Americans are dumb.
 
I will acknowledge that America feels out of the loop on voting. And for reason. I will not say that the majority of Americans do not know what is right for America. That is Dictatorship.

Again I am NOT talking about the entire electorial process. I'm only talking about big topics like Abortion. And terrychick, gays would have been allowed to marry long ago through this process. The ONLY thing that flipped this was the attention of the people over an old law. The attention of the people dismissed it. ^^
 
Very bad idea. This is not a Democracy; it is a Republuc of states. The genius of this constitution and the way this Government is set up to work ensures that mob rule of high population States do not usurp the rights of smaller States.

This is a democracy and a republic. The people's republic of China is a republic, not a democracy. The United Kingdom is a democracy, but not a republic. Saudi Arabia is neither a democracy nor a republic.

In some sense, the words are rather interchangeable as well. For instance, the Greeks name for their country us the Hellenika Demokatika, I.e. the Hellenic Democracy. But this is often translated into English as "the Hellenic Republic". The big fuss rightists make over the issue is annoying, it shows they're fascists who want to strip the democracy out of our system and make it a non-democratic republic like China.

If it was up to the majority, rural States would never get a say in our politics.

Why do rural people somehow deserve special privileges as compensation for not happening to live next to many other people? Are rural people worth me as citizens just because they chose to live on a low population density area? Then why do they deserve extra votes? There are plenty of suburbs and sub-communities in cities that get just as swamped as any rural area of equal population, why should rural dwellers get special treatment?
 
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This is a democracy and a republic. The people's republic of China is a republic, not a democracy. The United Kingdom is a democracy, but not a republic. Saudi Arabia is neither a democracy nor a republic.

In some sense, the words are rather interchangeable as well. For instance, the Greeks name for their country us the Hellenika Demokatika, I.e. the Hellenic Democracy. But this is often translated into English as "the Hellenic Republic". The big fuss rightists make over the issue is annoying, it shows they're fascists who want to strip the democracy out of our system and make it a non-democratic republic like China.



Why do rural people somehow deserve special privileges as compensation for not happening to live next to many other people? Are rural people worth me as citizens just because they chose to live on a low population density area? Then why do they deserve extra votes? There are plenty of suburbs and sub-communities in cities that get just as swamped as any rural area of equal population, why should rural dwellers get special treatment?

I'm a rural person. Almost everyone I know is still racist. I was raised further out in the country than anyone I've ever met but I seem to be one of the only ones that aren't racist. Maybe it was because my mom got divorced and broke the hate train. I didn't get over racism until I was at least 20 though. The time I sat down and talked with a black person................
 
Tell me if this is a bad idea and why.

Big issue topics in gridlock should be voted on by the people in polls. It could even be a 1 topic voting day. 51% or more vote wins a change.

I believe in this only if we can iron out a good voterID program that does not exclude Americans.

Only issues that have been in gridlock or controversy for an extended period of time. (set year limit)

I say this because the PEOPLE control America. Not Congress. If the majority of the people want something, the rest of Americans simply have to deal with it and quit crying.

I'm open to mature critisizm. It's just a thought.

How would it help iron out a voter id law? A referendum is not a deeply deliberately process, that's one of the problems with the system. Someone would have to attempt to iron out the chinks beforehand, it's not something the people can do themselves.

To reduce gridlock, you'd have to soften some of the roadblocks in our system. For instance, weakening the upper chamber like the UK did with the house of lords, and only giving it the ability to delay rather than block. Or, simialar to what France did after several years of disastrous friction between the executive and legislature, move to equalize election dates for the various elected offices, rather than staggering them as we do now. And, of course, there's always the veto, which, 99% of the time, means we effectively have a legislative three way, with yet another party that has to be appeased and negotiated with.

Your proposal, I suppose, could be like a less radical step in the British direction. Rather than just allowing the lower house to automatically override the upper house if the upper keeps blocking legislation for more than two years or so, give them the right to send the legislation to the people after a couple of years of blocking. The threat alone would usually be enough to bring the Senate to the negotiating table in good faith for any truly popular legislation that's been stalled fit long. Again, I think we just need to totally take away senatorial power over money bills. The Senate flagrantly abuses their power to amend to just tack on whatever they want to house money bills, and they use it to send a disproportionate amount of funding to smaller states. And, at the end of the day, money bills are more critical than other kinds if legislation. It's a threat to national stability to allow the faith and credit of the US government to for money bills to be subject to gridlock.
 
Also, the house should use us constitutional powers to specify rules for the election of its members to set up an independent commission to carry out the redistricting process nationwide, with no goal but to craft districts that adhere to traditional geographic and community boundaries as closely as practicable.
 
Ever watch the Jay Leno show.....he does a bit called "Jaywalking", and what it proves is that there are too many idiots roaming the streets now
that sadly have the power to vote....and they are clearly too stupid to make important decisions that will affect the entire country....

You see them at Tea Party rallies and I see them at rallies supporting Obama, either way, I get nervous every election day thinking about them....

The votes of idiots will tend to be noise that largely cancels itself out, just as an idiot will not make a 0 on a true false test, but a 50. You would have to know the right answers and intentionally choose otherwise to reliably pull off a 0. Nor will any two idiots generally obtain that 50 through the same set of wrong answers. So, as the ignorant will tend to turn in wildly different sets of random half guesses to get their 50, while the more knowledgeable will tend to submit tests that more and more closely align to the same, perfect test the more knowledgeable they are, a theoretical test taker that always went with the majority vote would, indeed, tend to get a fairly high score themselves, even if the informed were a minority, the ignorant cancel each other out and the informed reinforce one another.

It is foolishness to fret over making sure no ignorants are allowed to pollute the voting booth. For one thing, maybe they do have something to say about some subject, and shouldn't have their entire lives judged by an off hand bored response to some query from a journalist working for a mediocre comedian. And maybe you shouldn't look at the final result, which consisted of a carefully pruned dozen or so out of possibly thousands of people interviewed, and jump to the conclusion that there's hordes if stupid people out there because you didn't see any boring normal responses in the segment.

IMO, the more voices we have, the better off we are, the more people to offer their specialized knowledge or viewpoint in some area. Even if they tend to miss the dartboard elsewhere, they bring the sum total closer to true. And, besides, the so called enlightened often have their own biases anyway. We left 18-21 year old off the rolls because they weren't mature enough, lo and behold, the enlightened mature voters just happened to decide that was the perfect age group to conscript. And bougeois in the 19th century were practically obsessed with not letting the dirty proles on the roll, no, they'd take all their property. Apparently it never occurred to them that the poor old innocent propertied classes would vote themselves favorable terms, and pass rules that solidified their own position, in the abscence of these dirty proles and their clutching claws.

Snobbery is the purview of the mediocre, desperately trying to find someone to look down on due to insecurity about their own social position. It's telling that Americas become virtually obsessed with the subject lately, they simply can't get enough of reality television, where they can laugh at carefully selected and presented rubes that they can safely feel superior to.
 
Just to be clear, I don't really like California style direct democracy. That in itself leads to a great deal of gridlock, as well as terrible populist policies. But anti-party's proposal is not unreasonable, it's far more limited in scope.
 
Americans are only "stupid" because they aren't involved. Most people I know are Republicans who only vote on 1 topic. And maybe this is where this stems from.

I expected the Right Wing to criticize Americans but not the Left.

I think Americans are smart but they feel powerless. I think if we all have power, we will all care. Today we know more about Football than Politics.


Doesn't matter what you think, it is a numbers game. Think of it this way; the average person is average. Half of the people are dumber than average.

See? It has nothing to do with how smart you think they are.

Your plan will not work due to a concept known as "the tyrany of the masses" Look it up.
 
Congress is plagued by hyper-partisanship. I mean everything -immigration reform/ debt ceiling/ nothing i cannot think of that isn't 'hyper-partisanshiped' to death.

That said , how many people re-elct their Congressperson or Senator? What's the old saying "people generally get the kind of gov't they deserve"
 
Congress is plagued by hyper-partisanship. I mean everything -immigration reform/ debt ceiling/ nothing i cannot think of that isn't 'hyper-partisanshiped' to death.

That said , how many people re-elct their Congressperson or Senator? What's the old saying "people generally get the kind of gov't they deserve"

How many people are re-elected to Congress or the Senate; because of low voter turn out?
 
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