Biden want's to force people to buy electric water heaters now
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Into the Night
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That's WORK! The Commie is not going to do anything like that!
Into the Night
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YOU are the one that is claiming that the economy is the best ever. Let's see YOUR proof, Commie. No, you can't use links saying that Biden or any Democrat is saying the same thing YOU are programmed to say. You can't use any links at all. They are not a proof.
Burden fallacy. Termination fallacy. Argument of the Stone fallacy.
Click the link, sparky.
Into the Night
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No such bill. SB9 (I think the one you are referring to) eliminates restriction on zoning for suburbs, meaning suburbs are no longer zoned exclusively as single family housing. It does not ban single family housing.
A similar such bill is being put together on the 'federal' level.
It DOES mean is that if someone next door sells their lot to a developer and they decide to raze the house and put up an ugly apartment complex on it (even if the lot is too small for such a project and the infrastructure doesn't support it), that developer can do that.
So what is being banned is suburban neighborhoods, not single family housing.
Into the Night
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That's about right. Because they have no tank, they have no ballast. That means they are easily overloaded beyond their flow rate, necessitating installing additional units individually for various sinks, washing machines, and other uses. Each one is expensive. Each one uses a lot of electric power.
If you want consistent hot water, use a tank appropriate for the size house of living space. That tank is ballast for the water temperature, and you can heat that water with your choice of fuel.
Electric water heaters use fuel, yes. Just like EVs do.
Correct. Reference the picture of the high rise next to single family homes in my post.
Into the Night
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Not that you care, but the word 'vast' appeared in the English lexicon around the late 1500s', coming from the French word 'vaste'. It means 'large number' or 'great extent'.
It's really too bad you never learned English.
Here is the reason electric water heaters are more expensive:
Heating a given quantity of water always requires the same number of joules.
Natural gas (methane) has a certain number of joules per mole available by burning it. That doesn't change. There is, however, no waste heat. ALL of the heat goes into the water you are heating.
Electrical power is generated at a power plant. Waste heat occurs in the generating equipment and in the method used to turn the generator shaft. From there, the power is converted to high voltage for transmission. That transformers generates waste heat. The current on the high tension lines also generate waste heat (if overloaded, such as the lines feeding the SDTC (formerly California), the wires will actually sag from just this waste heat (possibly touching a tree or something). At the substations, that voltage is traded for higher current again for distribution lines to homes and businesses. More waste heat. More current on distribution lines also generating waste heat. At the home or business, ANOTHER transformer converts distribution voltage down to that used in the home or business. More waste heat occurs there. Even the fuse attached to said system generates waste heat.
By the time electricity reaches the electric water heater, you have spent almost as many joules in waste heat as what is going to heat the water. In other words, electric water heaters use almost TWICE as many joules to heat the same quantity of water as natural gas would.
This problem is even worse when comparing EVs to ICE vehicles. Charging an EV also generates waste heat in the battery and in the charging circuit. Note the car isn't even moving during the charging cycle. As the EV is driven, MORE waste heat comes from the battery (again!) and from the motor(s). This is why batteries AND the motors are liquid cooled. To create heat, more effectively cooling the battery and motor. EVs also use almost TWICE as many joules as a gasoline car would to move the same size vehicle the same distance. Note that F=mA still applies, and the electric car is much heavier than the gasoline car.
That's the math, dude.
Into the Night
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More Hmmm...
This is fairly accurate. It is the inflation seen in several commonly used products and services.
This is what Bidenomics has produced: shortages and inflation.
Are you saying the article that says this:
somehow shows that electric water heaters are vastly more expensive?
Back to your statement...
Define "vastly" as you used it and show your math.
Into the Night
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This is exactly right.
Into the Night
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No shit fer brains, the Consumer Reports article that you were too dumb to click on said that the cost of changing from a gas water heater that costs $245 a year in energy, would increase to $535 a year for a tankless electric water heater.
If only you could read as proficiently as you lie....
Joe Capitalist
Racism is a disease
Wow! Uncensored's delusions are reaching a psychotic level:
Biden wants the federal government to have absolute control over all energy so it can be used as a weapon against enemies of the party.
Someone with such extreme, irrational fears requires major psychiatric intervention. I hope he gets help.
A decent 60 gal. electric hot water heater costs $1720.
Then there's the wiring and installation. removal of existing
gas line and breaker hookup. Add another $1000. Yep. Cheaper.