Biden giving one of his best speeches ever, killin it!

redfish said:
ok then lets give all the allegations their day in court, including the suitcases of votes in Fulton county Ga that were counted during a fake water main break that emptied the building. OK?
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This never happened. You got suckered by a conspiracy theory or you're the theory's author.
 
redfish said:
I am not going to post my birth certificate, passport, or drivers license for you, sorry. Feel free to post yours proving your chinese loyalty.
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So I guess...I have to take you at your word...number 2.

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redfish said:
there are videos of the capital police not just letting them in, but encouraging them to enter------------and doing nothing to stop them. Why?
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Irrelevant. I have yet to see a body of video evidence of significant numbers of cops warmly welcoming Deplorables into the building.

Fat ass Trump supporters are adults who presumably can think for themselves. They knew full well they would be criminal trespassing at a minimum, if they breached the police barricades and the Capitol.

It doesn't matter who offered them donuts or gave them a welcoming handshake.
 
cawacko said:
Not following you there. Pretty clearly if your guy won the election you have zero desire/interest in storming the capital. You won, why would you? That's why I caveated it with the playing chess. It's not out of the realm for someone to infiltrate the group and encourage them to act in a self destructive manner. Not something most people would do but in a country of over 300 million people you get you some different cats who think in different ways. That's all.
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Yes. I agree with your observation of a 'Provocateur' concept.
But ... more striking was the 'ANTIFA/Trump Supporters' comparison.
Both being out of the Mainstream.
One, ANTIFA, not that many Members.
The other, Trump Supporters, 75 Million Voted for the guy.

See the interesting fact there?
 
Jarod said:
This is why a right wing revolution won’t work, It’s really an insurrection.

Even most Trump supporters believe these people belong in jail, not in charge.

They pretend to support it until it actually happens, then they run from the fight, if they truly believe the election was overturned, they stay home and their mothers basement cowering, instead of fighting.

If they truly believe the election was invalid they should’ve continued fighting after January 6, if they truly believe that they are pussies.
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I bet joes numbers go up
 
cawacko said:
Not following you there. Pretty clearly if your guy won the election you have zero desire/interest in storming the capital. You won, why would you? That's why I caveated it with the playing chess. It's not out of the realm for someone to infiltrate the group and encourage them to act in a self destructive manner. Not something most people would do but in a country of over 300 million people you get you some different cats who think in different ways. That's all.
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Yes they became Russian tools



Like the FBI warned us over ten years ago
 
redfish said:
how did "peacefully and patriotically" encourage an insurrection? Do you even know what insurrection means? The riots of 2020 (over 300 of them) were actual insurrections. Jan 6 was americans demanding the truth about an election.
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It was the other 2000 words, and the failure to act while it was occurring.

An insurrection can be peaceful btw, peacefully preventing congress from doing their job holding a constitutional required hearing is an insurrection and illegal.

immediately doing something about it once it started was the former presidents duty.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I've never heard that particular claim about off-duty officers, but definitely outside agitators took advantage of the protests to create chaos and anarchy, looting and burning.

There is no possible scenario in which any sane person can believe the bullshit that the terrorist attack on our Capitol was done by anyone other than the angry, disappointed Cultists whose would-be despot lost a fair election.
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I may have too Bay Area centric of a viewpoint but I'm from Oakland which is where the Black Panthers were founded. I don't know exactly how much of this is truth vs myth but the argument is the Fed's infiltrated the Black Panther Party to destroy the good they were doing in the community. So around here people strongly believe it was off duty cop types that caused havoc at #BLM rallies. So that mindset is why if you told me someone on the left joined the rally they were clearly not doing so because they disagreed with the outcome rather just playing chess like the Feds/cops do to their groups.
 
The only reason Joe Biden called Trump a liar...

...well...

...is because Trump is a liar.

Trump lies every day from the time he wakes up 'til the time he goes to sleep.

Glad to hear Joe Biden call him that...and to do it the way he did.

The former president is now officially like Voldemort...He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.
 
cawacko said:
Just throwing this out there. If you're really playing chess, you knew the election was never going to be overturned however such behavior (storming of the capital) could have long-term negative repercussions for both Trump and the right - thus why someone on the left might participate/encourage it.

Reminds of the #BLM claim that off duty officers were responsible for violence and looting at their rallies. On one hand I'm thinking that makes no sense. But the argument is they were there to instigate and cause trouble with the hopes it gives the cops more power and sympathy. I don't know if that is true but both scenarios are not totally out of realm of possibility.
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Then why have none of them been arrested or identified while over 700 Trumper‘s have?
 
redfish said:
how did "peacefully and patriotically" encourage an insurrection? Do you even know what insurrection means? The riots of 2020 (over 300 of them) were actual insurrections. Jan 6 was americans demanding the truth about an election.
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“go over there and I like hell.“
 
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